List containing a small percentage of those murdered by conservatives

If you are a conservative/mass murderer, I'm just wondering, how does it feel to take the life of another human being? You've probably discovered by now that soap is not effective at removing the blood on your hands.
 
http://www.namesofthedead.com/

This website lists some of the 44k people a year who conservatives are responsible for murdering.

Truly disgusting and while this is happening there are people talking about death panels and how universal medical results in people not being able to obtain care. I used to believe they were just uninformed but the truth is they don't care if people die.

Rather than bringing up an isolated case of someone in Britain who died or someone in Canada who waited for care I challenge them to produce evidence of 1000s of people dying each year in any country due to government run medical.

Shorter life span. Higher cost per capita. And now direct evidence of people dying due to a "pay or suffer" medical system.

The opponents of universal medical have no arguments left.
 
http://www.namesofthedead.com/

This website lists some of the 44k people a year who conservatives are responsible for murdering.

No, these people died as a result of misguided social entitlements such as Medicare and government mandates on health insurance companies which drive up the cost of health services. Should we discuss the number of Canadians who have died while on the waiting list for surgery? I have personal experience with that one, FYI.

Or perhaps we could talk about the British citizens who have died in government hospitals because the government has no financial interest in keeping their patients alive?

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts...l-Appalling-neglect-that-led-to-1-200-deaths/

These people were treated like animals. I've never heard of anything like that occurring in the United States in modern times. Have you?

My point isn't to start a debate about which system is superior (I have no interest in such a debate, as the answer seems pretty plain to me), but rather to demonstrate that your view of single-payer health care is unattainably Utopian. No system is perfect, because people aren't perfect.
 
If you are a conservative/mass murderer, I'm just wondering, how does it feel to take the life of another human being? You've probably discovered by now that soap is not effective at removing the blood on your hands.
It feels pretty good to be honest. And why would I wash the blood from my hands rather than drink it and leave my hands as a trophy for other to envy?
 
If you are a conservative/mass murderer, I'm just wondering, how does it feel to take the life of another human being? You've probably discovered by now that soap is not effective at removing the blood on your hands.

really watermark....really

those evil conservatives are also responsible for auto accident deaths, falling down the stairs, falling in the shower

and you have no evidence to suggest that under any h/c the lives you claim have been mass murdered would have lived under any system

when you talk the way you do about h/c, you don't do anyone any service, you turn off the debate and push people away....real h/c reform can be had, but not with your rhetoric, no matter how "funny" you're trying to be
 
:loser:

"watch Congressman Grayson read your stories on the House floor"

Did he not just lose his reelection, and got tossed out like yesterdays garbage?


:rofl:

I am a proud conservative mass murderer and I am hoping to improve the number of kills by next year.
 
No, these people died as a result of misguided social entitlements such as Medicare and government mandates on health insurance companies which drive up the cost of health services. Should we discuss the number of Canadians who have died while on the waiting list for surgery? I have personal experience with that one, FYI.

Or perhaps we could talk about the British citizens who have died in government hospitals because the government has no financial interest in keeping their patients alive?

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts...l-Appalling-neglect-that-led-to-1-200-deaths/

These people were treated like animals. I've never heard of anything like that occurring in the United States in modern times. Have you?

My point isn't to start a debate about which system is superior (I have no interest in such a debate, as the answer seems pretty plain to me), but rather to demonstrate that your view of single-payer health care is unattainably Utopian. No system is perfect, because people aren't perfect.

My view isn't unattainable utopia.

Those deaths that occurred in Britain are being investigated. It is acknowledged procedures broke down and rules were not followed. In other words immediate changes are to take place and such circumstances are not to be allowed to occur again.

Contrast that to a "pay or suffer" system. Are the deaths mentioned in the article Watermark provided being investigated? Are government officials insisting rules be immediately changed? Is the government saying the next person who can not afford a doctor is entitled to medical care regardless?

Anyone who believes universal medical care is unattainable is saying we are unable to look after our ill citizens which is nonsense. It's simply a matter of allocating sufficient funds and talking about funds that's another scam, for lack of a better word.

The US spends almost double on medical care per capita. Governments with universal medical spend, perhaps, 8% GDP and another will spend 9% and another will spend 10%. They all complain about a shortage of money.

If the governments currently spending 8% immediately budgeted 10% imagine the difference. An immediate 25% increase.

The point is governments allot the minimum and continually complain about a shortage. It's like budgeting $15/wk for gas when one requires $20/wk. Of course the person will continually be over budget because the budget is unrealistic.

As the population ages medical costs will rise. It's time people got over it.

It's not a matter of the government not having the money for medical care. It's a matter of allocating the funds. Every National Park that has someone emptying garbage cans has an employee that can empty garbage cans in a hospital. Every information cabana/hut is one more hospital room. Every monument....

(Excerpt) The National Park Service estimates a maintenance backlog of $6.1 billion for its facilities.(End) http://apps.asce.org/reportcard/2005/page.cfm?id=39

I have nothing against parks. (The truth is I've planted over a dozen trees on my suburban lot even though there were a number of mature trees already there.)

The point is there is money available. The question is do we spend it on caring for the ill or supplying showers for weekend campers? Do we pay doctors or ensure visitors to the beach have clean sand? http://www.hbarber.com/Cleaners/Beach_Cleaning_Equipment.aspx

Locally, are new sidewalks more important than a medical clinic?

If people have the motivation to vote for a political party that will cut taxes why not vote for a political party that will direct money towards medical care and away from other things or is going to the beach or spending a day in the park more important?
 
Isolated?

Over 1,200 people, in one hospital, in a 3-year period:

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts...l-Appalling-neglect-that-led-to-1-200-deaths/

The general consensus is that the care they received was "appalling."

At least it's being investigated. It is not accepted policy which is the opposite of a "pay or suffer" system.

What remedy is being sought for the people who died who are mentioned in the article Watermark posted? Do we have any idea what they went through as they lied at home dying without any care?
 
really watermark....really

those evil conservatives are also responsible for auto accident deaths, falling down the stairs, falling in the shower

and you have no evidence to suggest that under any h/c the lives you claim have been mass murdered would have lived under any system

when you talk the way you do about h/c, you don't do anyone any service, you turn off the debate and push people away....real h/c reform can be had, but not with your rhetoric, no matter how "funny" you're trying to be

Regardless of how it's put forward statistics show that citizens in countries with a universal health care plan pay less and have a longer life expectancy. Less cost. Longer life. What else is there to consider when discussing medical care?
 
Regardless of how it's put forward statistics show that citizens in countries with a universal health care plan pay less and have a longer life expectancy. Less cost. Longer life. What else is there to consider when discussing medical care?

i'm certain the costs cannot be equally compared

as to life expectancy, there is absolutely no study that shows a correlation
 
Obviously some people refuse to make the connection. I suppose it was just coincidence all those people Congressman Grayson mentioned happened to die. :palm:

you tried to make a correlation with universial h/c and failed....just admit it :)

you have nothing but pure speculation as to why anything happened...
 
Obviously some people refuse to make the connection. I suppose it was just coincidence all those people Congressman Grayson mentioned happened to die. :palm:
I think it's rather coincidental considering every person on every list in every nation in every period of time is destined to die at some point.
 
you tried to make a correlation with universial h/c and failed....just admit it :)

you have nothing but pure speculation as to why anything happened...

The average life span is longer in western countries which have universal medical. That is a fact. No speculation involved.

Health care costs less per person in western countries with universal medical. That is a fact. No speculation involved.

As for speculating on the deaths read by the Congressman he specifically stated the reason some people didn't go to the doctor was due to financial consideration. Did you watch the video?
 
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