Listening to your overseas phone calls?- WRONG! Fondling your balls?- OKAY!

Ice Dancer said:
Oh yes they do touch junk...and they do it on purpose. All passenger airporports will make passengers subject to the newly phrased "porno scans" or the invasive body "grope" search. This includes women, infants and children-the elderly. The one group who may be exempt are muslim women...at least our Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano is considering exempting them.

Those who believe the government’s incredible claim that TSA employees don’t pay attention to people’s private areas should ask Rolando Negrin, a 44 year old TSA worker who is now known around the world for having an exceptionally small penis. Negrin was harassed for days by fellow employees who saw the size of his penis during a training session and mocked him because of it. The berating was so brutal that Negrin finally unleashed on the bullies, landing him in jail while his abusive coworkers remain at large, preying upon the American sheep that willingly pass through the body scanning machines. Everyone can be assured that – if they have anything peculiar or appealing in their anatomy that the TSA workers will be laughing over it over by the water cooler. Still, privacy concerns and government retribution are not the only reason body scanners are bad: they are useless.
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Well the possible comebacks for this post are endless... :rofl:
 
How many of you support warrantless wiretaping?

Ice Dancer? Dumber than me? Dixtie?
 
Jarod said:
How many of you support warrantless wiretaping?

Ice Dancer? Dumber than me? Dixtie?
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This isn't the same as warrantless wiretaps, you goofy bitch! Why can't you get that through your ignorant head? The warrantless wiretaps were only being done on phone calls originating overseas, from people suspected of terrorism, and only when time prohibited them from getting a proper warrant. It was NOT being done to "every 10th American" regardless of who they were, and generally speaking, pat-downs and full body radiation scans, are just a wee bit more "intrusive" than listening to a phone call! You just really sound like a fucking moronic idiot when you start making such a comparison.
 
Dixie said:
This isn't the same as warrantless wiretaps, you goofy bitch! Why can't you get that through your ignorant head? The warrantless wiretaps were only being done on phone calls originating overseas, from people suspected of terrorism, and only when time prohibited them from getting a proper warrant. It was NOT being done to "every 10th American" regardless of who they were, and generally speaking, pat-downs and full body radiation scans, are just a wee bit more "intrusive" than listening to a phone call! You just really sound like a fucking moronic idiot when you start making such a comparison.
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You have no fucking clue, you got your FACTS WRONG!

The wiretaping was not nearly so limited.

It was not just calls originating overseas.

It was not just when time prohibited proper warrants.
 
Jarod said:
You have no fucking clue, you got your FACTS WRONG!

The wiretaping was not nearly so limited.

It was not just calls originating overseas.

It was not just when time prohibited proper warrants.
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Yes it was, (and still is), and not only that, but such incidents where a warrant wasn't obtained, had to be routinely reported to FISA, and were (still are). But let's not get sidetracked... this was a situation where the government had probable cause or reasonable suspicion... a justification for a "reasonable" search or seizure. In the case of the TSA, no such justification exists. We weren't attacked on 9/11 by "every 10th person!"
 
Dixie said:
This isn't the same as warrantless wiretaps, you goofy bitch! Why can't you get that through your ignorant head? The warrantless wiretaps were only being done on phone calls originating overseas, from people suspected of terrorism, and only when time prohibited them from getting a proper warrant. It was NOT being done to "every 10th American" regardless of who they were, and generally speaking, pat-downs and full body radiation scans, are just a wee bit more "intrusive" than listening to a phone call! You just really sound like a fucking moronic idiot when you start making such a comparison.
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So what's your solution, Dixie? No scans? No pat-downs? Just take your chances of blowing up mid-air by a terrorist?
 
apple0154 said:
So what's your solution, Dixie? No scans? No pat-downs? Just take your chances of blowing up mid-air by a terrorist?
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you mean the same chance you take going into a theater, into a shopping mall, on a bus, on a train, in a sports stadium, at a concert, walking down the street in NYC, going into Congress etc... etc.... etc....

Every single incident post 9/11 the passengers have acted.

We can implement full strip searches with body cavity probing and it STILL would not guarantee our safety on planes. though it WOULD encourage terrorists to use methods that passengers couldn't stop.... ie... bombs in checked bags etc...

The stupidity has to stop. Giving up our freedom for the sake of a false 'security' is absurd. Especially when you turn right around and have no such security in other areas where even LARGER crowds gather.
 
apple0154 said:
So what's your solution, Dixie? No scans? No pat-downs? Just take your chances of blowing up mid-air by a terrorist?
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How about we do like the Israeli airlines (El Al) and interrogate those who fit the profile of a terrorist bomber, or send up red flags? It would be FAR MORE effective than this ridiculousness!
 
Superfreak said:
you mean the same chance you take going into a theater, into a shopping mall, on a bus, on a train, in a sports stadium, at a concert, walking down the street in NYC, going into Congress etc... etc.... etc....

Every single incident post 9/11 the passengers have acted.

We can implement full strip searches with body cavity probing and it STILL would not guarantee our safety on planes. though it WOULD encourage terrorists to use methods that passengers couldn't stop.... ie... bombs in checked bags etc...

The stupidity has to stop. Giving up our freedom for the sake of a false 'security' is absurd. Especially when you turn right around and have no such security in other areas where even LARGER crowds gather.
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Awsome, I agree... Some basic reasonable searches are in order... but lets not throw out the Constitution for a little safety.... Same thing I said about warrantless wiretapping.... Guantanino Bay detentions and trying terrorists in civil criminal courts...
 
Jarod said:
How many of you support warrantless wiretaping?

Ice Dancer? Dumber than me? Dixtie?
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Of known terror suspects? I have mixed feelings really since the very legislation that allows for this is the proverbial slippery slope to loss of freedoms from government intrusion. A better solution would be to have a body of judges available 24/7 charged with speeding up warrants for law enforcement investigating terror suspects.
 
Ice Dancer said:
Of known terror suspects? I have mixed feelings really since the very legislation that allows for this is the proverbial slippery slope to loss of freedoms from government intrusion. A better solution would be to have a body of judges available 24/7 charged with speeding up warrants for law enforcement investigating terror suspects.
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i.e. FISA
 
Ice Dancer said:
Of known terror suspects? I have mixed feelings really since the very legislation that allows for this is the proverbial slippery slope to loss of freedoms from government intrusion. A better solution would be to have a body of judges available 24/7 charged with speeding up warrants for law enforcement investigating terror suspects.
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"Known terrorist suspects"...

"Known" by who? The prosecutor? The CIA? The FBI, or just the Federal Government in general... are we really trusting them on this?


"Suspects?" Why are they suspected? Because they might run against the president in the next election? Because the prosecutor is a deranged idiot? Because the Federal Government is afraid of there power?

"Terrorist?" Does that include the Democratic party as was charged by many conservatives under president Bush? Does that include Rush Linbaugh as he has said he wants the President of the United States to Fail?
 
Ice Dancer said:
Right now the standard practice is every 10th person. What I said was that all persons are subject to this...they are. You have no way of knowing when you get into a line if you will be the 10th person. This is absolutely the stupidest security measure possible as well as the most inavsive!
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Maybe we're looking at this all wrong. You get the choice of a free hand job, or starring in your own porn video!
 
Dixie said:
How about we do like the Israeli airlines (El Al) and interrogate those who fit the profile of a terrorist bomber, or send up red flags? It would be FAR MORE effective than this ridiculousness!
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They interrogate every single passenger in Israel. Asking about things like who you visited, etc. looking for tells.

Now, this may seem like a fantabulous idea, but the reality is it would be INCREDIBLY expensive. They have two international airports, two. We have a ton, 300,000,000+ people, hundreds of thousands flying each and every day. The people who ask those questions are graduates of a college program on that very thing, they are specially trained and highly paid.

What we need to do is use technology to our advantage.

First, they could easily fix those scan machines to only show "not human", therefore remove the pornographic images we're being asked to provide for pervs in a closed room.
 
Damocles said:
They interrogate every single passenger in Israel. Asking about things like who you visited, etc. looking for tells.

Now, this may seem like a fantabulous idea, but the reality is it would be INCREDIBLY expensive. They have two international airports, two. We have a ton, 300,000,000+ people, hundreds of thousands flying each and every day. The people who ask those questions are graduates of a college program on that very thing, they are specially trained and highly paid.

What we need to do is use technology to our advantage.

First, they could easily fix those scan machines to only show "not human", therefore remove the pornographic images we're being asked to provide for pervs in a closed room.
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Im with you...

The TSA has gone too far and should do what Damo is suggesting, but the politics behind this issue is more about who runs TSA than the 4th Amendment. If those complaining about the TSA problem really cared about the 4th they would have cared about the warrant tapping.

This is about the $ that individuals could make if TSA was turned over to private contractors such as Haliburton.
 
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