London Apartment Tower ENGULFED in flames for a day but NO COLLAPSE!!!

blackascoal said:
If buildings can collapse from furniture fires .. why has that never, ever, ever happened before or after 9/11 through thousands and thousands of building fires and massive blazes all over the world?

Not once.

Call it 9/11 American 'science' .. which has absolutely nothing to do with real science.

Only in America. :0)
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You just can't stop yourself from your "furniture fires" rant can you.
Please continue; because it allows everyone to view your affliction. :good4u:
 
Milagro said:
You're a bugger for punishment I'll give you that at least.

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Every time he throws out his "furniture fires" CT, it exposes his lack of having even a rudimentary thought process.
I guess he's come to the conclusion that all that jet fuel just "burned off" in a matter of seconds and all that was left to burn, were papers, carpeting, chairs, desks, people, etc. :palm:
 
blackascoal said:
Yet, though filled with furniture, like thousands and thousands of building fires before and after it, it was never in danger of collapse. In fact, no building ever in the history of humankind will ever be in danger of collapse from furniture fires because it's scientifically impossible.

Must be magic.
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Nomad said:
Grenfell Towers is a CONCRETE building, my friend.

Concrete does not melt.
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Show me ANY building that has ... EVER .. that didn't happen on 9/11.

Thousands of steel frame building fires to choose from.

Should be easy, huh?.

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blackascoal said:
Show me ANY building that has ... EVER .. that didn't happen on 9/11.

Thousands of steel frame building fires to choose from.

Should be easy, huh?
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It all has to do with the unique, never before done design of the WTC towers. The exterior walls were actually part of the support system of the buildings. There was a small steel column and beam structure surrounding the elevator shafts in the center of each tower and floor panels constructed of lightweight bar joists that bridged and connected this structure to the outer walls, eliminating the need for interior columns and creating unobstructed views across every floor. It also made the towers flexible and allowed them to sway in the wind.

But that unique one of a kind design is also at the heart of not only why the towers collapsed, but the way they collapsed.

Point is, you cannot compare the WTC towers to any other building, because there are no other buildings constructed like they were.

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A little update...34 high rise apartment building have be found to have flammable cladding, 11 considered at risk, 4 evacuated. Heads gotta roll, I don't know about the UK but we have building codes specifically for cladding, it is said (need an actual source though, the exact material hasn't been mentioned) that the cladding used is banned here in the USA.
 
Pappy Jones said:
A little update...34 high rise apartment building have be found to have flammable cladding, 11 considered at risk, 4 evacuated. Heads gotta roll, I don't know about the UK but we have building codes specifically for cladding, it is said (need an actual source though, the exact material hasn't been mentioned) that the cladding used is banned here in the USA.
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The cladding was manufactured in the USA but that particular type was not supposed to be used for buildings over 10 meters.

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Pappy Jones said:
A little update...34 high rise apartment building have be found to have flammable cladding, 11 considered at risk, 4 evacuated. Heads gotta roll, I don't know about the UK but we have building codes specifically for cladding, it is said (need an actual source though, the exact material hasn't been mentioned) that the cladding used is banned here in the USA.
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The tories have, for some years now, been busily abolishing the 'red tape' that saves lives, since it mostly concerns only a lot of bloody poor people, who live only to be exploited. They will probably be forced to pretend to care for a year of two now.
 
iolo said:
The tories have, for some years now, been busily abolishing the 'red tape' that saves lives, since it mostly concerns only a lot of bloody poor people, who live only to be exploited. They will probably be forced to pretend to care for a year of two now.
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Cynical old sod, you know little about how the HSE, planning committees and building inspections work. Were you at Glastonbury worshipping Worzel Gummidge preaching to the snowflakes?

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Nomad said:
It all has to do with the unique, never before done design of the WTC towers. The exterior walls were actually part of the support system of the buildings. There was a small steel column and beam structure surrounding the elevator shafts in the center of each tower and floor panels constructed of lightweight bar joists that bridged and connected this structure to the outer walls, eliminating the need for interior columns and creating unobstructed views across every floor. It also made the towers flexible and allowed them to sway in the wind.

But that unique one of a kind design is also at the heart of not only why the towers collapsed, but the way they collapsed.

Point is, you cannot compare the WTC towers to any other building, because there are no other buildings constructed like they were.

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I appreciate that .. but WTC 7 was not designed the way towers 1 and 2 were designed .. that's first. The design of Towers 1 and 2 was made to withstand multiple plane crashes with a strong and steel reinforced concrete inner core.

"WTC 7 was unlike the WTC towers in many respects. WTC 7 was a more typical tall building in the design of its structural system." NIST

Secondly, universal uniform symmetrical collapse requires all supports to give way at the exact same moment regardless of building design. Falling mass will still seek the path of least resistance .. and as the building collapses, for every action there is an equal reaction .. thus the falling mass will collide with the greater mass and break up, making it even lighter mass.

Third, isolated furniture fires cannot melt buildings under any circumstances unless the building was made out of cheese. Even then, symmetrical collapse would not occur.

WTC 7 was a typical tall building in structure and design .. and it remains the smoking gun.
 
blackassholel said:
The design of Towers 1 and 2 was made to withstand multiple plane crashes with a strong and steel reinforced concrete inner core.



Secondly, universal uniform symmetrical collapse requires all supports to give way at the exact same moment regardless of building design.
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Wrong, and wrong.
 
Right said:
Wrong, and wrong.
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He is a perfect example of the saying "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing".

A little learning is a dangerous thing;
drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring:
there shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
and drinking largely sobers us again.

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The biggest problem [apart from the arcane engineering aspects] with this theory is how do you keep something requiring massive coordination between countless parties, a secret? Especially, with people like Assange out there who do nothing but publish leaks.

And Wiki has nothing to say about it?
 
Milagro said:
He is a perfect example of the saying "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing".

A little learning is a dangerous thing;
drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring:
there shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
and drinking largely sobers us again.

Sent from my iPhone 25S Turbo
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Especially this line:
The design of Towers 1 and 2 was made to withstand multiple plane crashes with a strong and steel reinforced concrete inner core.
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1. Plane crash, yes, multiple, not likely.
2. Since the dynamic load of a plane crash is in the horizontal direction, acting on what can be simplified as a cantilever beam anchored in the ground and pointing upward, the outer perimeter provided the resisting force, not the center core.
3. The center core was steel H sections, not reinforced concrete.
 
Darth Omar said:
The biggest problem [apart from the arcane engineering aspects] with this theory is how do you keep something requiring massive coordination between countless parties, a secret? Especially, with people like Assange out there who do nothing but publish leaks.

And Wiki has nothing to say about it?
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Agreed, to pull off such a huge scheme involving what would have to be a large number of people, you'd also have to believe in other dumb shit like the Illuminati and new world order.
 
Nomad said:
It all has to do with the unique, never before done design of the WTC towers. The exterior walls were actually part of the support system of the buildings. There was a small steel column and beam structure surrounding the elevator shafts in the center of each tower and floor panels constructed of lightweight bar joists that bridged and connected this structure to the outer walls, eliminating the need for interior columns and creating unobstructed views across every floor. It also made the towers flexible and allowed them to sway in the wind.

But that unique one of a kind design is also at the heart of not only why the towers collapsed, but the way they collapsed.

Point is, you cannot compare the WTC towers to any other building, because there are no other buildings constructed like they were.
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HAHAHA. Talk about special pleading. No one in the world believes a word of what you said.
 
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