Long distance road trips and EVs

[McRocket]

Shortens the battery life. They are EXPENSIVE to replace.

I doubt that. This isn't 2010..fast charging does not hurt batteries like it used to.
And even if true - who cares?
Chevy gives an 8 year/100,000 miles warranty on the battery.
Most people do NOT keep their cars that long.

Not necessarily. Trucks carry much more cargo cheaper than flying it. Certain types of cargo are not allowed on aircraft at all. Oh...and aircraft require fuel. Lots of it.

I am talking about passenger cars - not freight.

Or business.

Even more so. NO ONE in business is going to drive 400+ miles if it is urgent. NO ONE (unless they are idiots or live in the arctic). They would just fly.

Nope. It will take longer to charge.

Wrong. To charge a Tesla at a supercharging station takes only 15 minutes for 200 miles. You do the math.

Enjoy sitting around at the charging station. I'll be on my way.

Wrong.
You will spent far more time filling up over the life of the vehicle than I will in an EV.
I just plug it in every night and it is fully charged every morning.
I know of people that almost never re-charge their EV's at stations.

And long distance?
Again - who gives a shit?
No one sane is going to drive 400+ miles in the lower 48 if they are in a hurry.

And for vacations? If you are driving 600 miles?
The most you would be charging - using a supercharger station - is 30 minutes. If you start with a fully charged car.
Driving 600 miles (legally) takes at least 9 hours.
So you stop for gas for 5 minutes.
And I charge for 30 minutes.

So your vacation drive is 9 hours and five minutes.
And mine is 9 hours and 30 minutes.
Big deal.
On a vacation - that is nothing.

Plus - 600 miles using supercharging is roughly about $50-60.
The average US car gets about 27mpg. So, let's say 30mpg.
That is 20 gallons.
At $4.25 a gallon is $85 bucks.
I save an extra $60 (there and back).
So - in essence - I am getting paid $60 to sit for an extra 50 minutes (there and back) over you.
I'll take that deal thank you (on a vacation).

I realize that you hate EV's and NOTHING will change your mind.
So further debate is pointless.

But the numbers add up that EV's ARE the future.
Especially once they come down to $20-25K for a new one with 250 miles in range and the masses can afford them.

You want to keep your gas car?
Go right ahead.

I'll keep my (theoretical) EV.
With far less maintenance and operating costs than you have with your internal combustion vehicle.
And my instantaneous, peak torque.

Good day.

 

[Lionfish]

The idea that Repubs want to return to the past is shown here. They will be dragged into the future kicking and screaming all the way. Once they get there, they will appreciate it and claim they were always for it.
Long-distance trips are not a new problem the rightys came up with. The government is installing fast-charginhttps://www.greenbiz.com/article/8-electric-truck-and-van-companies-watch-2020g stations across the country to address that specific problem. Trucks are going electric too.

This bullshit comes from idiots that prefer transporting oil over the road or in rail tankers as opposed to a pipeline.

 

[Nordberg]

Did you not read my post?
You can recharge a Tesla for 200 miles in 15 minutes.
Almost NO ONE who is going hundreds of miles is in that much of a hurry that an extra 10 minutes for charging is going to matter.
NO ONE with a 300+ mile EV and access to supercharging needs a hybrid.
They would just fly if they were in a hurry and going over 300+ miles.

And - with respect - hybrids are the WORST of both worlds.
They have ALL the maintenance issues of a regular vehicle.
All the added costs/weight of BOTH EV's and regular vehicles.
With few, practical benefits.

They made some sense back when EV's were only good for about 100 miles.
But now?
With a Chevy Bolt with a 259 miles range starting at $31,500 (for example)?
https://www.chevrolet.com/electric/bolt-ev
You'd be an automotive idiot to buy a hybrid in 2022...no offense.

Plug it in. Go inside, take pee and but some munchies and come out to a fully charged car, Not much different than pumping gas. Gas guzzler drivers have to eat and pee too.
The EV comes with about 10 K in tax rebates too making it a far better investment.

 

[Lionfish]

I doubt that. This isn't 2010..fast charging does not hurt batteries like it used to.
And even if true - who cares?
Chevy gives an 8 year/100,000 miles warranty on the battery.
Most people do NOT keep their cars that long.

I am talking about passenger cars - not freight.

Even more so. NO ONE in business is going to drive 400+ miles if it is urgent. NO ONE (unless they are idiots or live in the arctic). They would just fly.

Wrong. To charge a Tesla at a supercharging station takes only 15 minutes for 200 miles. You do the math.


Wrong.
You will spent far more time filling up over the life of the vehicle than I will in an EV.
I just plug it in every night and it is fully charged every morning.
I know of people that almost never re-charge their EV's at stations.

And long distance?
Again - who gives a shit?
No one sane is going to drive 400+ miles in the lower 48 if they are in a hurry.

And for vacations? If you are driving 600 miles?
The most you would be charging - using a supercharger station - is 30 minutes. If you start with a fully charged car.
Driving 600 miles (legally) takes at least 9 hours.
So you stop for gas for 5 minutes.
And I charge for 30 minutes.

So your vacation drive is 9 hours and five minutes.
And mine is 9 hours and 30 minutes.
Big deal.
On a vacation - that is nothing.

Plus - 600 miles using supercharging is roughly about $50-60.
The average US car gets about 27mpg. So, let's say 30mpg.
That is 20 gallons.
At $4.25 a gallon is $85 bucks.
I save an extra $60 (there and back).
So - in essence - I am getting paid $60 to sit for an extra 50 minutes (there and back) over you.
I'll take that deal thank you (on a vacation).

I realize that you hate EV's and NOTHING will change your mind.
So further debate is pointless.

But the numbers add up that EV's ARE the future.
Especially once they come down to $20-25K for a new one with 250 miles in range and the masses can afford them.

You want to keep your gas car?
Go right ahead.

I'll keep my (theoretical) EV.
With far less maintenance and operating costs than you have with your internal combustion vehicle.
And my instantaneous, peak torque.

Good day.

The average age on a car in the US is 12.1 years.
Charging stations and plugs need to be standardized.
Cost to charge at home about $7-$10
Charge at a public station On average, it costs between $0.30- $0.60 kWh to charge an electric vehicle. Therefore, this means that a small car could cost about $11.50 to $23 to fully charge while a bigger or long-distance vehicle could cost between $22.50 to $45.

 

[Into the Night]

I doubt that. This isn't 2010..fast charging does not hurt batteries like it used to.

Yes it does. Batteries aren't magick, dude. They are the same battery...just larger cells in the pack.

And even if true - who cares?

You do, when it comes time to replace damaged or worn battery packs.

Chevy gives an 8 year/100,000 miles warranty on the battery.

That won't last long. I put 100,000 miles on my vehicles in just 3 years.

Most people do NOT keep their cars that long.

You don't get to speak for most people. Omniscience fallacy.

I am talking about passenger cars - not freight.

Fine. Of course, the dictatorship of California is banning all internal combustion engines, freight use too.

Even more so. NO ONE in business is going to drive 400+ miles if it is urgent. NO ONE (unless they are idiots or live in the arctic). They would just fly.

You don't get to speak for everybody. You only get to speak for you. Omniscience fallacy. 400 miles isn't that far.

Wrong. To charge a Tesla at a supercharging station takes only 15 minutes for 200 miles. You do the math.

Only on a new battery pack, and this rapid a charging rate shortens battery life.

Wrong.
You will spent far more time filling up over the life of the vehicle than I will in an EV.

No.

I just plug it in every night and it is fully charged every morning.

So you have to spend hours filling up your vehicle every night. I don't.

I know of people that almost never re-charge their EV's at stations.

So?

And long distance?
Again - who gives a shit?
No one sane is going to drive 400+ miles in the lower 48 if they are in a hurry.

You don't get to speak for everybody. Omniscience fallacy.

And for vacations? If you are driving 600 miles?
The most you would be charging - using a supercharger station - is 30 minutes. If you start with a fully charged car.
Driving 600 miles (legally) takes at least 9 hours.

7.5, actually.

So you stop for gas for 5 minutes.
And I charge for 30 minutes.

IF you can find a fast charge station, and IF there is no line for it, and IF you are doing it twice.

So your vacation drive is 9 hours and five minutes.
And mine is 9 hours and 30 minutes.
Big deal.

Why do you assume I am driving for a vacation?

On a vacation - that is nothing.

It is not nothing.

Plus - 600 miles using supercharging is roughly about $50-60.
The average US car gets about 27mpg. So, let's say 30mpg.

Argument from randU fallacy. You are making up numbers again.

That is 20 gallons.
At $4.25 a gallon is $85 bucks.
I save an extra $60 (there and back).

And you had to buy a car half again as expensive to do it. Great 'savings' fella.

So - in essence - I am getting paid $60 to sit for an extra 50 minutes (there and back) over you.

Wups. You are focusing only on one cost and ignoring the rest.

I'll take that deal thank you (on a vacation).

Fine. If you want to put up with an EV, have fun.

I realize that you hate EV's and NOTHING will change your mind.

I don't. They just don't work for me. They can't tow worth shit (the Tesla Model 3 cannot tow at all!), I have better things to do than wait for my car to charge, I understand the math that you are ignoring.

So further debate is pointless.

But the numbers add up that EV's ARE the future.

No. They aren't. You are ignoring too many numbers.

Especially once they come down to $20-25K for a new one with 250 miles in range and the masses can afford them.

They won't. The price of lithium must go up due to limited supplies to build all those cars, AND it's subject to supply disruption from even local wars or natural disasters. Cobalt is even worse. As more and more EVs get built, those prices for raw materials are going to skyrocket.

You want to keep your gas car?
Go right ahead.

I will keep all of my gas and diesel cars.

I'll keep my (theoretical) EV.
With far less maintenance and operating costs than you have with your internal combustion vehicle.

Ignoring the math again. The cost of replacing a battery on a Tesla is approx $25,000. Like any car, Teslas require maintenance. You still need to replace rubber components from time to time such as tires and wipers. No different than my cars. The body still needs cleaning and care. No different than my cars. Changing the oil is done twice a year and is a trivial cost.

And my instantaneous, peak torque.

Same as mine.

Go ahead and keep your EV. It is obvious you don't drive it very far, since you completely discounted why long trips by car are conducted. You can keep considering the time it takes you to charge your car every night as magickally zero. You can keep ignoring the eventual replacement of your battery back due to road damage or aging until it hits you in the wallet.

Have fun.

 

[Into the Night]

Plug it in. Go inside, take pee and but some munchies and come out to a fully charged car, Not much different than pumping gas. Gas guzzler drivers have to eat and pee too.
The EV comes with about 10 K in tax rebates too making it a far better investment.

How long does it take you to pee???

 

[Lionfish]

A good article from an owner.

https://www.cars.com/articles/how-much-does-it-cost-to-charge-an-electric-car-447817/

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

my commute is 7 miles round trip.......how much extra should I spend for car that uses less gas?.......

We'll remember that THE NEXT TIME YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT THE PRICE OF GASOLINE!

 

[PostmodernProphet]

We'll remember that THE NEXT TIME YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT THE PRICE OF GASOLINE!

I'm not complaining about the price of gasoline.......I'm complaining about the senile pedophile you idiots put in the Oval Office and the stupid things he's done to fuck up our energy independence.......

 

[RB 60]

I'm not complaining about the price of gasoline.......I'm complaining about the senile pedophile you idiots put in the Oval Office and the stupid things he's done to fuck up our energy independence.......

I'm complaining about both. One led to the other.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

And long distance?
Again - who gives a shit?
No one sane is going to drive 400+ miles in the lower 48 if they are in a hurry.

And for vacations? If you are driving 600 miles?
The most you would be charging - using a supercharger station - is 30 minutes. If you start with a fully charged car.
Driving 600 miles (legally) takes at least 9 hours.
So you stop for gas for 5 minutes.
And I charge for 30 minutes.

You live on the East coast or there abouts don't you?

In Arizona people commute by car--Commute--as much as 100 miles to work, some more. That's an hour and half commute at most, possibly less.

Vacations? Same thing. 600 miles in AZ is (legally) an 8 hour trip. Realistically, it's closer to 7.

I can cross the entirety of the Phoenix metro area in about 45 minutes and it's close to 70 miles wide.

Maybe you're used to 55 mph being the traffic speed. Not out West. Traffic on interstate-type highways is more typically doing 75 to 85 mph.

I also want nothing like the way a Tesla is set up. Those are keeping tabs on you using the car's computer system, not to mention adding masses of unnecessary complexity to the vehicle.

 

[danielpalos]

If you plan on long distance road trips and camping, don't buy only EVs. Simple.

That said...

Which electric car has the longest-range?

Mercedes EQS - 485 miles. The longest-range electric car currently on sale is also one of the newest: the Mercedes EQS.
Mercedes EQE - 410 miles. ...
Tesla Model S - 405 miles. ...
BMW iX - 380 miles. ...
Ford Mustang Mach-E - 379 miles. ...
BMW i4 - 367 miles. ...
Tesla Model 3 - 360 miles. ...
Tesla Model X - 360 miles. ...

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/best-cars-vans/108345/top-10-longest-range-electric-cars-2022

Some sort of fixed Standard for powering vehicles?

A public - private partnership could come up with a plan for upgrading infrastructure to include ev power.

 

[Celticguy]

So it's essentially free. You can vent it to the outside, or you can vent it into the cabin. Your choice.

but not call it free, just wasted or not wasted

 

[Into the Night]

but not call it free, just wasted or not wasted

Semantics fallacy.