Lt. Col. Lakin Court Martial

Yurt said:
nice try...go and read WHY i called him a liar

but i don't expect you to ever admit you're wrong or be truthful when anything i say because you are obsessed with trying to get me in a gotcha moment and obsessed with trying to catch me a lie

too bad you fail at both
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I'm hardly "obsessed" with it. It's so frequent it's boring; like fishing in a barrrel.

It's pretty clear why you called him a liar, and it's also 100% clear you were wrong. You can't admit that you were, so you do your usual dodging/distracting thing.

Yawn.
 
Yurt said:
you are a liar

if this issue arose after he became president, you would have a point, unfortunately for you, this issue occurred while he was campaigning, his presidency is only incidental to the ONGOING controversy

you want to pretend no one questioned mccain's eligibility because all you have is the race card, you can't logical defend your position, so when all else fails.....

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Questioning eligibility and questioning place of birth are two entirely different things. In the case of McCain, no one questioned where he was born, just whether his place of birth made him a natural born citizen for eligibility purposes. You don't need a copy of his birth certificate to answer the question. In the case of Obama, the questions were about his place of birth.
 
apple0154 said:
If that's the case and one has to obey their superior officer then Lt. Col. Lakin has to obey the orders of his superior. After all, Obama did not personally order Lakin to return to Afghanistan so whether or not Obama is a citizen doesn't really matter.

In other words I doubt Obama personally made the decision to return Lakin to Afghanistan. The decision was made by others and Lakin is obliged to obey the "others"; his superiors.

Do I have a case? :)
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One could have said that about those tried in Nuremburg.

Orders come from the top and flow down. It isn't the constitutional eligibility of the officers he questioned, it was the source. The CIC is the source of all movement orders.
 
NigelTufnel said:
Questioning eligibility and questioning place of birth are two entirely different things. In the case of McCain, no one questioned where he was born, just whether his place of birth made him a natural born citizen for eligibility purposes. You don't need a copy of his birth certificate to answer the question. In the case of Obama, the questions were about his place of birth.
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did both issues have to do with the candidates eligibility for office?

yes or no
 
Onceler said:
I'm hardly "obsessed" with it. It's so frequent it's boring; like fishing in a barrrel.

It's pretty clear why you called him a liar, and it's also 100% clear you were wrong. You can't admit that you were, so you do your usual dodging/distracting thing.

Yawn.
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if it is so clear, go get post and explain it

and you are obsessed with it, its a bit weird, but its who you are
 
Damocles said:
One could have said that about those tried in Nuremburg.

Orders come from the top and flow down. It isn't the constitutional eligibility of the officers he questioned, it was the source. The CIC is the source of all movement orders.
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Hitler wasn't able to attend the Nuremburg trials due to a prior engagement roasting in Hell.
 
CERVIXCRUSHER9000 said:
It varies from state to state. In some states, a short form is called a "certificate of birth registration".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_certificate#Short_forms
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However, according to the pictures we have to compare, in HI it seems the certification is that shortened form printed up, while the Certificate is the form filled out at the hospital.

One thing that I know, the passport regulations specifically stated I could not use a "certification or 'short-form'".... I had to go and get a certified copy of my original birth certificate.
 
Damocles said:
One could have said that about those tried in Nuremburg.
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People did. The Nuremburg trials were essentially made up legal proceedings.

Of course in those days the federal government was rather fond of making up law, and the supreme court did nothing about it. FDR exercised most of his power through declaration, and when he found some German spies he eventually just made up sham legal proceedings on the spot designed to make their execution as likely as possible.

He could've just required them to send false information back to Germany, like the British did, but he's a sadistic American after all, and if a few American lives have to be put in danger so that he can sate his bloodlust, so be it.
 
Damocles said:
LOL. Fortunately so long as they were born in the US and not the child of diplomats there is nothing that could stop them.
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The meaning of "natural" in "natural-born citizen" clearly doesn't refer to whether or not the actual conception itself was carried out in a biologically regular manner.
 
CERVIXCRUSHER9000 said:
If you read that somewhere, it's wrong.
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*A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar's signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.

http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/first/first_830.html#step3first

clearly states the difference between a copy of the original and clearly states that not all short versions are acceptable...

when i applied the first time for mine, they made me get a copy of the original
 
CERVIXCRUSHER9000 said:
We are talking about the difference between "certificate" and "certification", which turns out to just be meaningless gobbledygook used when the government wants to sound official.
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wow...i can't believe you don't know the difference between certifcate and certification or verification

obama presented a piece of paper that VERIFIED some of the contents of the original....hence why it is called a "verification of live birth" and not a "certificate of live birth"
 
Yurt said:
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its says right on the form it is ONLY prima facie, it is not, nor will it ever be a copy of the original

it is not a birth certificate, it is merely a certifacation of what is ON the birth certificate, if it was the birth certificate it would have ALL the information, but it is does not

how you cannot grasp this simple concept is beyond me

tell me what the difference is between "certification" and "certificate"

thanks
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The only difference I see is that the Certification doesn't have the parents' ages and occupations, and the hospital name. How does this have a bearing on Obama?
 
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