Lt. Col. Lakin Court Martial

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Hilarious. Let me approach it with two questions: did anyone ever dispute that McCain was born in Panama? Did anyone ever dispute that Obama was born in Hawaii?

what legal theories (not facts, what LAW) need to be complained/raised in order to proceed on both cases?

list them out

your contention is this:

accident A - rear ended by truck on rainy day

accident B- rear ended by car on sunny day

the cases are totally differnt because the facts are different

 

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really...let's see it again and why don't you explain how my reading comprehension is not understanding what you're saying:



lets see it more closely:



i show you a case where the guy subpeoned mccain's birth certificate in order to prove he was NOT eligible to be president and you still (dishonestly now) claim that your statement above is true

really nigel...are you really going to continue this nonsense just so you don't have to admit you're wrong....go ahead and explain how my reading is wrong, i doubt you will, you'll likely just ad hom

A guy subpoenaing McCain birth certificate to prove McCain is not eligible to be president is not the same thing as McCain being force to release his birth certificate to prove he was born in Panama and eligible to be President. In fact, because the circumstances of McCain's birth have not been questioned, his birth certificate is not relevant to the eligibility question.

It's really not terribly difficult to understand.

 

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what legal theories (not facts, what LAW) need to be complained/raised in order to proceed on both cases?

list them out

your contention is this:

accident A - rear ended by truck on rainy day

accident B- rear ended by car on sunny day

the cases are totally differnt because the facts are different

You're an ass.

In McCain's case, the only question to be resolved is what "natural born citizen" means. That is a question of law.

In Obama's case, the only question to be resolved is whether he was born in Hawaii. That is a question of fact.


Again, not difficult to understand the rather obvious distinction.

 

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You're an ass.

In McCain's case, the only question to be resolved is what "natural born citizen" means. That is a question of law.

In Obama's case, the only question to be resolved is whether he was born in Hawaii. That is a question of fact.


Again, not difficult to understand the rather obvious distinction.

tff how you leave out the MOST important question to be resolved and dishonestly claim there is only one question when in reality this is the CORE:

eligibility for office

lmao....you're a jackass nigel...but for the second issue, the first issue would be meaningless, but you just have to pretend the cases are totally different, not related at all, because you must do anything to convince yourself it is because obama is black

racist hack

 

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A guy subpoenaing McCain birth certificate to prove McCain is not eligible to be president is not the same thing as McCain being force to release his birth certificate to prove he was born in Panama and eligible to be President. In fact, because the circumstances of McCain's birth have not been questioned, his birth certificate is not relevant to the eligibility question.

It's really not terribly difficult to understand.

you really are a dishonest weasle...now you're changing what you said, you didn't say force and even if you did, a subpoena (if proper) is a method to FORCE/COMPEL you to produce the document.....now, lets once again show what nigel said and see how he desperately continues the lie in order to not admit he is wrong:

So, not only has no president been asked to release his birth certificate to prove his eligibility to serve in the Oval Office, but no candidate except Obama has been asked to release his birth certificate to prove his eligibility to be president, John McCain included

here you said ASKED....mccain was in fact asked to produce it in a case that claimed mccain was not eligible to be president

you're delusional nigel, how you think you can fool anyone is mind boggling

 

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Looks like Yurt is going for the record on "longest & most determined spin".

Good luck, Yurtsie...

 

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this is how stupid you're being nigel:

both mccain and obama were challenged on whether they were eligible to be president solely due to whether they were natural born citizens.

the individual reasons why do not change that fact and do not make the cases different or the reasons for bringing them different. you're dishonestly claiming they are different issues because of the facts, that is false.....the ISSUE is identical in both, it is only the individual facts that are different, legally they are the same constitutional question....just like my example of who rear ended you, the issue (negligence due to a rear end) will be identical, the same law will be used, just because the individual facts are different doesn't mean the same law won't be used....in both cases, the same law will decide the ultimate (with this the other issues are meaningless) issue -- eligibility as a natural born citizen

stop being a race baiter

 

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you really are a dishonest weasle...now you're changing what you said, you didn't say force and even if you did, a subpoena (if proper) is a method to FORCE/COMPEL you to produce the document.....now, lets once again show what nigel said and see how he desperately continues the lie in order to not admit he is wrong:



here you said ASKED....mccain was in fact asked to produce it in a case that claimed mccain was not eligible to be president

you're delusional nigel, how you think you can fool anyone is mind boggling

So, the guy who said McCain was ineligible to be president subpoenaed McCain's birth certificate to prove that McCain was eligible to be president?

That makes a hell of a lot of sense, Yurt.

 

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this is how stupid you're being nigel:

both mccain and obama were challenged on whether they were eligible to be president solely due to whether they were natural born citizens.

the individual reasons why do not change that fact and do not make the cases different or the reasons for bringing them different. you're dishonestly claiming they are different issues because of the facts, that is false.....the ISSUE is identical in both, it is only the individual facts that are different, legally they are the same constitutional question....just like my example of who rear ended you, the issue (negligence due to a rear end) will be identical, the same law will be used, just because the individual facts are different doesn't mean the same law won't be used....in both cases, the same law will decide the ultimate (with this the other issues are meaningless) issue -- eligibility as a natural born citizen

No, they aren't the same questions. Let's approach it yet another way. If we assume that McCain was born where he claims to have been born and we assume that Obama was born where he claims to have been born, there is no question that Obama is a natural born citizen while there is a question as to whether McCain is a natural born citizen.

Again, not difficult.

 

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No, they aren't the same questions. Let's approach it yet another way. If we assume that McCain was born where he claims to have been born and we assume that Obama was born where he claims to have been born, there is no question that Obama is a natural born citizen while there is a question as to whether McCain is a natural born citizen.

Again, not difficult.

wrong again

it was and is law that mccain's birth in panama makes him a natural born citizen, if his case had been tried on the merits he would have been declared eligible....

your weird desire to make this about race has caused you to lose your mind

and again, the ultimate issue is whether they are eligible to be president. that is really the only issue in controversy. obviously it was not an issue where they were born when serving as senators, it only became an issue because of presidential eligibility

you want to pretend its because obama is black and that the issues aren't the same, unfortunately for you, both were challenged on their natural born citizenship status and due to that SHARED issue, both were identically challenged on their eligibility to serve as president

you can't escaped facts just because you warped mind wants to make this something it is not....sorry

 

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So, the guy who said McCain was ineligible to be president subpoenaed McCain's birth certificate to prove that McCain was eligible to be president?

That makes a hell of a lot of sense, Yurt.

wow...just wow...

that is some serious tap dancing and to be honest with you, its downright dishonest....

the whole reason his b/c was requested revolved around his eligibility, but you want to spin it and claim only poor little black obama had his b/c requested due to eligibility

you're a dishonest jackass nigel...

 

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I see Yurt has no problem perpetuating his lies on this thread...

This is seriously pathological behavior...

Looks like Yurt is going for the record on "longest & most determined spin".

Good luck, Yurtsie...

way to raise the level of discussion and what great input and intellectual discourse you provided us

weird how you accuse others of nothing but leading in with insults....yeah...those posts above, not leading in with insults at all....pure honest discussion with no lead in insults

what a pathetic hack you are onceler