THEY SIMPLY DO NOT UNDERSTAND...AND HAVE NO REGARD FOR THEIR FELLOW HUMANS.
THAT IS WHY THEY SUPPORT TRUMP.
MAGA/GOP: An easy explanation.
- Thread starter Taichiliberal
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THAT IS WHY THEY SUPPORT TRUMP.
Dutch Uncle
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Is it because they are evil or simply demented, bitter and paranoid?
T. A. Gardner
Thread Killer
That Lucky Duck is mooching off society and worthless to it? I agree.
T. A. Gardner
Thread Killer
Since when should I have to fork over a big chunk of my earnings to be redistributed to the worthless, lazy, unproductive, ungrateful, and undeserving?
Maybe you like handing your money out to bums and losers. I don't.
Sure, there are deserving people down on their luck, but the way Lucky Duck is portrayed in that comic makes him out to be a moocher taking from society and giving nothing back.
Everything you say pretty much supports the intention of the poster.
You people are fucking horrible.
Anyone voting for the party or people you support...is a jerkoff.
T. A. Gardner
Thread Killer
Why should I give money to a freeloading bum?
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
I'll deconstruct your "cleverness" sentence by sentence:1. No, what YOU do is intentionally misrepresent the point of the comic. The "gotcha" is sarcastic, given that the angst the rich man is feeling is absurd ..... he's wealthy, well fed, has the best of everything, yet just the mere thought that a poor bastard gets to enjoy a candy bar or is regulated to public transportation or is given paupers grave on the state just pisses him off. If you can't see what's wrong there, then I can't help you.
2. Again, YOU insert your version of reality to misrepresent the point of the comic. Nowhere is it inferred, insinuated or alluded to that Lucky Ducky opts to be poor. No one in their right mind does that! If you read carefully and comprehensively, you'll note the rich guy calls in a favor to have a "lower employee" fired. Got that? Lucky Ducky is what our economic indicators/census calls the "working poor". They exist, you know.
3. No, it says that since the rich guy got him fired, Luck Ducky fired (for no good reason), he's entitled to unemployment benefits. Given that living on unemployment and/or Social Security does NOT keep up with the cost of living, it pretty much regulates Lucky Ducky to his status.
4. How do you fathom that he "could have" had health insurance? There is no universal health insurance or socialized medicine in this country (something folk like YOU fought long and hard to maintain). And why are you bitching that he's in a pauper's grave? That's a social edict to bury the dead and a health caution. Now, if it were cremation as the norm, you'd probably bitch about that. But a simple wooden box, no ceremony, no prep, no wake. From morgue to the ground on state owned land. Tell us, how would YOU charge a poor man for a pauper's grave when he can barely live by the standards and situations depicted here?
5. See #1-5 which explains the error of your summation.
6. Maybe you didn't see the opening panels, where the rich guy is crying about handing over tax money while in back of him is a mountain of dollars, coins and gold. Nowhere in the comic is the rich guy NOT surrounded by opulent wealth. Yet he is angry because Lucky Ducky is just surviving (worse off after being fired for no reason other than class hatred). Lucky Ducky was contributing to society until the wealthy guy screwed him even more than he was.
I'm assuming that you went through all this as some sort of puerile joke. If not, then I feel sorry for you because this cartoon emphasizes the very mindset that has run the GOP since Reagan .... with fools like you thinking you are somehow above it all. No son, you're hanging by a thread whether it's by savings, stocks & investments or straight salary. Remember the S&L scandal? The Wall St. Scandal? The Dot Com Bust? Recessions? Tax cuts for corporations? Outsourcing? A whole lotta people just like you carried the water for a system that treats them like door mats....and got screwed for it.
Deep down, you know how accurate this comic is .... and that triggers you to parrot the SOS that's been LONG disproved. But thank you for your response, because it gave me the opportunity to further prove how full of it the current GOP/MAGA movement is to the average American. Carry on.
NiftyNiblick
1960s Chick Magnet
Tacky, my man,
1. No, what YOU do is intentionally misrepresent the point of the comic. The "gotcha" is sarcastic, given that the angst the rich man is feeling is absurd ..... he's wealthy, well fed, has the best of everything, yet just the mere thought that a poor bastard gets to enjoy a candy bar or is regulated to public transportation or is given paupers grave on the state just pisses him off. If you can't see what's wrong there, then I can't help you.
2. Again, YOU insert your version of reality to misrepresent the point of the comic. Nowhere is it inferred, insinuated or alluded to that Lucky Ducky opts to be poor. No one in their right mind does that! If you read carefully and comprehensively, you'll note the rich guy calls in a favor to have a "lower employee" fired. Got that? Lucky Ducky is what our economic indicators/census calls the "working poor". They exist, you know.
3. No, it says that since the rich guy got him fired, Luck Ducky fired (for no good reason), he's entitled to unemployment benefits. Given that living on unemployment and/or Social Security does NOT keep up with the cost of living, it pretty much regulates Lucky Ducky to his status.
4. How do you fathom that he "could have" had health insurance? There is no universal health insurance or socialized medicine in this country (something folk like YOU fought long and hard to maintain). And why are you bitching that he's in a pauper's grave? That's a social edict to bury the dead and a health caution. Now, if it were cremation as the norm, you'd probably bitch about that. But a simple wooden box, no ceremony, no prep, no wake. From morgue to the ground on state owned land. Tell us, how would YOU charge a poor man for a pauper's grave when he can barely live by the standards and situations depicted here?
5. See #1-5 which explains the error of your summation.
6. Maybe you didn't see the opening panels, where the rich guy is crying about handing over tax money while in back of him is a mountain of dollars, coins and gold. Nowhere in the comic is the rich guy NOT surrounded by opulent wealth. Yet he is angry because Lucky Ducky is just surviving (worse off after being fired for no reason other than class hatred). Lucky Ducky was contributing to society until the wealthy guy screwed him even more than he was.
I'm assuming that you went through all this as some sort of puerile joke. If not, then I feel sorry for you because this cartoon emphasizes the very mindset that has run the GOP since Reagan .... with fools like you thinking you are somehow above it all. No son, you're hanging by a thread whether it's by savings, stocks & investments or straight salary. Remember the S&L scandal? The Wall St. Scandal? The Dot Com Bust? Recessions? Tax cuts for corporations? Outsourcing? A whole lotta people just like you carried the water for a system that treats them like door mats....and got screwed for it.
Deep down, you know how accurate this comic is .... and that triggers you to parrot the SOS that's been LONG disproved. But thank you for your response, because it gave me the opportunity to further prove how full of it the current GOP/MAGA movement is to the average American. Carry on.
I believe that you should go outside right now,
try to find some feral animal poking around your garbage barrels,
and carefully explain the function of the Federal Bank to it.
You've now got good practice for that
trying to talk to TAG.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
Learn to read carefully and comprehensively, please. I've been trying to teach you right wing wonks that for YEARS on this thread and on others.
1. Lucky Ducky was employed until he got fired for no good reason other than irrational class hatred.
2. Social Security benefits are based on your years of employment and your pay rate (or which you pay into via taxes) ... at a fraction of that.
3. Unemployment insurance is based on your years of employment and your pay rate (or which you pay into via taxes) ... at a fraction of that. IT IS FINITE IN TIME PERIOD.
Neither fits the the definition of a "moocher". So your revisionist rhetoric is just silly in lieu of the chronology of the posts.
T. A. Gardner
Thread Killer
Employers can generally "at will" fire an employee. The employer pays unemployment insurance--and that's what it is, insurance-- for each employee they hire. So, Mr. Moneybags was paying for that unemployment insurance.
The employer pays into that too as does the employee. So? Social Security isn't mentioned in the strip.
That's because it's insurance. There's a finite payout on it. But the employer is the one paying the premium.
Lucky Duck is a moocher. He takes from society and doesn't put anything in in return. Lucky Duck gets fired. Rather than get another job, he lives off the unemployment insurance. Lucky Duck doesn't make a lot of money and pays little taxes but gets the same benefits from society Mr. Moneybags does from his far greater taxes. Again, Lucky Duck is taking and not putting much if anything in.
Why should society be FORCED to give to those who are incompetent, lazy, unwilling, or otherwise not productive? It's fine if you or I as an individual of our own accord want to give charity to that sort, but it is a choice. When government steps in and forces that giving, it no longer is fair and equal.
T. A. Gardner
Thread Killer
1. No, what YOU do is intentionally misrepresent the point of the comic. The "gotcha" is sarcastic, given that the angst the rich man is feeling is absurd ..... he's wealthy, well fed, has the best of everything, yet just the mere thought that a poor bastard gets to enjoy a candy bar or is regulated to public transportation or is given paupers grave on the state just pisses him off. If you can't see what's wrong there, then I can't help you.
Wrong. I simply present a different view of the circumstances. Gotcha, implies to me that Lucky Duck knows he's getting over on Mr. Moneybags. Lucky Duck is taking advantage of that for his own benefit. Lucky Duck is the greedy asshole here, he simply isn't in a position to grab more or he would.
We don't know or are told what Moneybags does to make his wealth. He has it though and does something to get it. He is successful and we see that he pays considerable taxes to the government because he is successful.
What's wrong is Lucky Duck is gaming the system for his own benefit, and in the process indirectly taking advantage of Moneybags.
I get no such thing. Whether Lucky Duck is poor or whatever is irrelevant here. He is clearly less well off than Mr. Moneybags. He knows it too and when he says to Moneybags, "Gotcha!" he is implying he knows he's taking advantage of him. Aside from that, yes, there are people that opt to be unemployed, or otherwise "poor" in order to qualify for various government handouts. They game the system to their own benefit. They exist, and Lucky Duck is clearly such a person with his knowing "Gotcha!" comments.
Lucky Duck got fired and then didn't bother to get another job because he could mooch off unemployment instead. He knows it and knows what he's doing and proves that by telling Moneybags, "Gotcha!"
We don't know what country the characters are in. If cremation were cheaper, cremate him. The cost of his final resting place should be as low as possible if it's on the public's dime.
You are the one who erred. There is more than one point of view here. I acknowledged that the artist probably intended the comic to read as you say, but that doesn't mean others could see a different meaning and set of circumstances in it. I did and expressed them.
Yes, I did. Mr. Moneybags obviously doesn't like his taxes being used to support the indigent, lazy, stupid, unwilling, or otherwise worthless. Lucky Duck by his "Gotcha!" statements to Mr. Moneybag's face shows he knows he's getting one over on Moneybags.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
1. Repeating/expanding your drivel is just being insipidly stubborn or your part. Again, you're just inserting your bizarre bias thinking you're "sticking it to the libs" whereas you're just demonstrating what a willingly ignorant doormat you are for folk like "Moneybags". ASK YOURSELF, HOW IS A WORKING POOR GUY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF A RICH MAN WHO FIRES HIM FOR NO GOOD REASON OTHER THAN IRRATIONAL CLASS HATRED?
2. Lucky Ducky being poor is the whole point of the comic, you stubborn fool! The sheer absurdity of Moneybags irrational hatred over a working poor guy enjoying a candy bar and taking the bus while he dines at a swanky restaurant or is sipping champagne in a limo resonates with any rational, objective adult....of which water carrying Maga mooks like yourself are not.
3. Again, you're inserting something into the comic that is not present or conveyed. WTF is the matter with you? You have to have a JOB and then be terminated to get unemployment of which is deducted from your pay), which is finite and subject to termination by review. Hardly a fit of the definition of "moocher". HE WAS FIRED FOR NO GOOD REASON, AS THE COMIC NARRATIVE SHOWS.
4, Man, you'll grasp at any straw, fabricate any false narrative, deny what's in front of you in order to defend the people who wipe their feet on you. Up to now, all your responses have been within the context of our American society/system. Now facing how absurd your stance is, you try to create a false narrative. I'll dumb it down for you....the cynical joke is "Gotcha", because in reality Lucky Ducky is the one getting the "gotcha" in reality, while Moneybags is just irrationally fuming while suffering NOTHING. Capice? And WTF do you think a pauper's grave is, genius? Why should Moneybags bitch about that, GIVEN THAT HE HELPED CREATE THE POVERTY LUCKY DUCKY WAS IN?
5. The chronology of the posts makes you out to be a liar here. What you previously stated and what you say now in lieu of my deconstructing and logically disproving your assertions are two different things. That's the problem with you MAGA mooks....you think earnestly repeating a lie somehow makes it true even in a printed medium. Hint: it doesn't.
6. See #1-5 and our previous exchanges. Ya got nothing but regurgitated rhetoric and denial T.A. YOU ARE PROVING THE POINT OF THE COMIC TO THE LETTER. So unless you've got something different, I'll leave you to the last repetition or false accusation and move on.
T. A. Gardner
Thread Killer
It isn't "class hatred." It's anger at being forced to support those that won't put in effort.
Now it is YOU pushing the idea of class envy. Moneybags is upset that Lucky Duck is getting a free ride he doesn't deserve. Money bags is paying his own way. I have not problem with that and am no envious that he can afford an incredibly expensive dinner or whatever. He made that money, he can spend it as he chooses.
Lucky Duck is gaming the system and getting a free ride and that should be galling to anyone.
Just because the artist's intent was A and I see B doesn't mean I'm somehow wrong.
"Gotcha" by Lucky Duck implies very clearly he knows that Moneybags is being forced to pay for the stuff Duck is doing and Duck is making a point of showing Moneybags he knows.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
1. Get up to speed on lawsuits for "wrongful termination". And
Unemployment insurance is funded by taxes on employers, such as the FUTA and various state taxes. FUTA charges 6% of the first $7,000 of each employee's wages, although this is offset by a 5.4% credit for on-time tax payments.4
U.S. Department of Labor, Employment and Training Administration. "Unemployment Insurance Tax Topic."
Some states pay for unemployment benefits by debiting the former employer's UI account, or by raising the employer's UI taxes in future years. Since employees are usually not eligible for UI if they quit voluntarily, some employers may pressure their employees to resign rather than fire them.
2. No I threw in Social Security to negate your insinuation that a person is "mooching" when receiving UI and/or Soc Sec., since both are EARNED via employment.
3. You keep parroting this line DESPITE valid documentation, definitions and sheer logic (easily googled) contradicts you. I've debunked this at least twice in previous responses. Clearly, you're just being insipidly stubborn and intellectually dishonest in your zeal for a "own the libs" moment. You look foolish doing so.
4. Why not ask those who are bitching about inheritance tax? They didn't earn it. Or legacy students being omitted to Ivy League universities when they don't have the grades? And riddle me this: since Lucky Ducky was a "lowly worker", he was employed none-the-less. So he was competent, working and productive UNTIL FIRED BY AN IRRATIONAL HATRED FOR BEING A WORKING POOR PERSON. That's on your hero Mr. Moneybags, of whom ass you kiss. So if you want to bitch about something, go to the source of the problem.
You're done, T.A. You've got nothing but revisionist, irrational BS that doesn't fly in the fact of the chronology of the posts. Whether this is a joke to you, or just something to do because you're bored or because you just can't stand having your MAGA mind set aptly critiqued, you've gone as far as you can. Unless you can come up with something new, I'll leave you to your folly.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
Here's what he left out, dear readers:
6. See #1-5 and our previous exchanges. Ya got nothing but regurgitated rhetoric and denial T.A. YOU ARE PROVING THE POINT OF THE COMIC TO THE LETTER. So unless you've got something different, I'll leave you to the last repetition or false accusation and move on.
TA is just being insipidly stubborn, trying vainly to substitute his personal opinion, supposition and conjecture for what is the content and context of the comic in relation to current America. TA will do this ad nausea in various ways as shown here, so I'll leave him to it (as the last word is deemed as a "win" by MAGA mooks, despite what transpired ... so much more to pity them.
Adios for now.
You shouldn't. You are trash...and what you refer to as "a freeloading bum" often is a fellow human of mine in need.
So go back under your rock and hate the world as much as you want.
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
Dancing Bug?.......sounds like VP HarmUs' campaign platform......
ThatOwlWoman
Leftist Vermin
Did something happen with your link? I just got a page advertising Tom the Dancing Bug gear.
ThatOwlWoman
Leftist Vermin
Thanks for perfectly illustrating the point of the comic. Well done.
ThatOwlWoman
Leftist Vermin
Apparently you missed the part where Lucky Ducky was a low-paid employee who got fired by the envious rich guy. Apparently you've forgotten that even minimum wage workers pay taxes too -- FICA, sales tax, personal property taxes, etc.