Mail in ballots are essential!

[Uncensored2008]

You're missing the point... Don't be lazy go to the polls. But you're right... there's a bunch of lazy people.... And it is legal...

In 2020 California had no polls - we HAD to vote by mail.

But no matter, California elections are decided months before the first ballot is cast.

 

[Damocles]

You are a conspiracy nut. The law says you have to be a citizen to vote in presidential elections. It has been like that from the beginning.
I have collected registrations a few times. It was treated very seriously. You register anyone who asks for a form. The only way to make it a pro party thing is to set registration up in a location thet might have Dems or more Repugs . It is treated seriously and you are checked. The penalties for doing something wrong are severe. If you tossed registrations, you would be in serious trouble. Unless you were a Trumpy, then you would get pardoned. It i something that Repubs do, not Dems.
Ballot harvesting is not a real problem. If you are going to the city hall to drop off your ballot, taking a neighbors and friends to drop off is meaningless.
You Trumpys cry about things like people at old people's homes collecting ballots. Of course, if it were a problem, it would be Repubs as well as Dems. You all have the default position that Dems would be doing it, not Repubs.

Anyone ever notice how these folks are always telling Americans how it isn't a "big problem" as an excuse as to why we should let things just go their way, while pretending that trying to get folks to follow the agreed upon rules is somehow a "problem" for them? It isn't "widespread" so it's okay... It's not a "big problem"... They got a zillion of "Yeah, we know it is happening, but we don't want you to change it because we know we wouldn't get elected without it." they just make it into bumper stickers and pretend that it shouldn't matter.

Yeah... It's because they know it is a problem, but don't want it to change because it is in their favor.

 

[QP!]

It seems more likely they think they would win more often if there wasn't a voting season, rather than an election day, with a body of folks that tend to follow the rules. While they understand the opposition has no issue with vote harvesting, collecting ballots at old folks homes after "helping them" fill out their ballots, running voter registration booths without the party tag and tossing the ones that aren't registering as Democrats and, finally, who actively oppose any measure that may stop non-citizens from voting which has no purpose other than to ensure that they get the vote from non-citizens.

Interesting.

So me PROVING why what you said was so painfully stupid...

Spoiler

Translation of OP: We cannot win without unchecked mail in balloting. Elections must last 7 weeks rather than one day for us to win, so you need to do that for us. We also cannot check on whether people actually should be voting, we won't let you collect evidence and then will tell you that you don't have evidence that it is "widespread" even though some elections are lost and won on tens of votes and it does not need to be "widespread" to be effective...

that is a nonsensical and stupid summarization.


Stupidtiy of assertions refuted :

- Unchecked mail in balloting DOES NOT help Democrats win any more than it helps Magats win. IT IS NEUTRAL TO WHO WINS.
- An election lasting 7 weeks rather than one day IN NO WAY benefits Dems over Magats. IT IS NEUTRAL TO WHO WINS.
- Checking on who is voting IN NO WAY benefits Dems over Magats. In most audit and checks, even in Trumps 2016 term checks, recounts, etc, BENEFITED MORE the Dem candidates who tended to rise in totals. But the process is NEUTRAL TO WHO WINS.
- The issue is not whether it is "Widespread" and is whether it is "Determinative" or approaching ANY THING CLOSE to determinative, and all the DATA and FACTS collected say that answer is NO IT IS NOT. And moreso, when the 'lack of widespread' fraud/errors happens they tends to BENEFIT Magats more, but overall they are NEUTRAL TO WHO WINS.

So as usual Damocles you have fallen for a bunch of magat talking points and think they are meaningful without digging into if there is any substance to them.

You got DUPED, AGAIN.

... just leads you double down on the obvious stupid of your posts.

Here is absolute nut PROVING why what you say is such garbage.

Nothing, NOT ONE THING, you say in the post above or your prior post in the spoiler, can be SHOWN to benefit Dems over Magats in any election as a way to cheat or gain votes.

Every single thing you are trying to express as some secret dem advantage or cheat is EQUALLY and NEUTRALLY a Magat cheat or advantage.

You are stuck on magat talking points from right wing media without AGAIN putting one iota of thought to ask yourself 'does this make sense'.

You are duped once again.

 

[BartenderElite]

Anyone ever notice how these folks are always telling Americans how it isn't a "big problem" as an excuse as to why we should let things just go their way, while pretending that trying to get folks to follow the agreed upon rules is somehow a "problem" for them? It isn't "widespread" so it's okay... It's not a "big problem"... They got a zillion of "Yeah, we know it is happening, but we don't want you to change it because we know we wouldn't get elected without it." they just make it into bumper stickers and pretend that it shouldn't matter.

Yeah... It's because they know it is a problem, but don't want it to change because it is in their favor.

Is any of that supportable w/ actual evidence - particularly that last part?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Do you know that trump just voted in a primary in Florida? Do you know HOW he voted? You guessed it - MAIL IN.

For the stupid among us, that would be you stooge socks, absentee ballots are designed for when one is not physically present to vote.

I know this is complex and you drones aren't actually sentient. still...

Every time a trumptard like you spews something it's a conviction of your own hypocrisy.

Bitch.

How is using absentee ballots the way they are designed, "hypocrisy," cunt?

I suspect "hypocrisy" is yet another word you simply don't know the meaning of.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I don't need a passport to vote with a real I.D. What would anyone else? It's a easy enough to change your I.D.... It's not about voter repression at all....

Sure it is. The GOP is suppressing the vote from Illegal Aliens - the most vital demographic that democrats have. Without voter fraud, democrats can't "win" elections.

 

[QP!]

Anyone ever notice how these folks are always telling Americans how it isn't a "big problem" as an excuse as to why we should let things just go their way, while pretending that trying to get folks to follow the agreed upon rules is somehow a "problem" for them? It isn't "widespread" so it's okay... It's not a "big problem"... They got a zillion of "Yeah, we know it is happening, but we don't want you to change it because we know we wouldn't get elected without it." they just make it into bumper stickers and pretend that it shouldn't matter.

Yeah... It's because they know it is a problem, but don't want it to change because it is in their favor.

These are the LIES you tell yourself...

"They got a zillion of "Yeah, we know it is happening, but we don't want you to change it because we know we wouldn't get elected without it.":
"...they know it is a problem, but don't want it to change because it is in their favor..."


You will not because you CANNOT show a single way these things would benefit Dem and not also benefit Magats in the exact same way, or harm both and that is because they NEUTRAL.

You have to lie and tell yourself they are some secret Dem benefit.,

WHy do people fight against creating a series of rules purposely devised by Magats to target and make things much harder for Dem voting base to vote than the Magat one? Why is their push back against the lies under lying instead of just saying 'ok lies or not lets just do it to make the Magats feel more confident'????


Because that entire framing is a lie just as Trump harassing and demanding Obama show his proof of birth in the US, to help take away peoples doubts about his birth WAS A LIE and as soon as Obama showed it, something he should have never done or had to do, they simply rejected it as still suspicious.

it is all a lie Damocles and you are stupid that you cannot see it. There is nothing, NOTHING Dems could do that would satisfy Magats if the Dems still win a single election. The Magats will still claim 'cheating' while AGAIN demanding more restrictions while repeating the lines stupdi people like you do which 'why not just do it to make us doubters FEEL better.'

Get over yourself and realize FACTS DNGAF ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS, and stop asking everyone else to take irrational actions to try and sooth your irrational feelings. GROW THE FUCK UP.

 

[QP!]

Is any of that supportable w/ actual evidence - particularly that last part?

NO BUT IT IS MY FEELINGS SO WHY NOT JUST DO IT /Damo

 

[LurchAddams]

For the stupid among us, that would be you stooge socks, absentee ballots are designed for when one is not physically present to vote.

I know this is complex and you drones aren't actually sentient. still...



How is using absentee ballots the way they are designed, "hypocrisy," cunt?

I suspect "hypocrisy" is yet another word you simply don't know the meaning of.

Ah yes - you are terrified! What are you going to do when you have to start respecting black people and Mexicans again, trumptard? Will DEI make you cry?

Poor trumptard bitch.

 

[Uncensored2008]

So here's the real deal.

There is NO election fraud.

Then the SAVE act will be neutral and your hive has nothing to panic over. Yet it is in a frenzy with you drones swarming - showing that election fraud is not only rampant - but vital to the hive.

What's happening is that trump know's he's fucked the Republican party and himself with his tariffs, war crimes and being a rapist of little girls.

So we should not have free and secure elections because you're a fucking liar who spews Himmler level hate?

I think I'll go with honest elections instead.

It's a desperate measure by trump and most Republicans to steal upcoming elections because they can win on their merits. @Uncensored2008 knows this as well which is why your trumptard bitch girl is spamming this thread with you.

So if illegal aliens don't vote, the Americans are "stealing" the election from you?

You actually believe that election fraud is the "right" of your filthy party?

When I learned that 83% of Americans support the SAVE act I thought, "who would be such a fucking scumbag as to be in the 17% opposing it?"

Yeah, the gutless puke on JPP running the three stooge socks.

 

[Damocles]

Is any of that supportable w/ actual evidence - particularly that last part?

So, you never see them, even in this thread, telling us that it isn't a "big problem"? I think you are lying to yourself. They excuse fraud because they say it is not "widespread" and any activity to stop it is somehow "racist"... or at this time it is "women will be affected"... which is utter nonsense.

If it isn't a "big deal" then doing something would also not be a "big deal"... It's a big deal, we know it is because they act like it is and they fight it like it is.

 

[LurchAddams]

Then the SAVE act will be neutral and your hive has nothing to panic over. Yet it is in a frenzy with you drones swarming - showing that election fraud is not only rampant - but vital to the hive.



So we should not have free and secure elections because you're a fucking liar who spews Himmler level hate?

I think I'll go with honest elections instead.



So if illegal aliens don't vote, the Americans are "stealing" the election from you?

You actually believe that election fraud is the "right" of your filthy party?

When I learned that 83% of Americans support the SAVE act I thought, "who would be such a fucking scumbag as to be in the 17% opposing it?"

Yeah, the gutless puke on JPP running the three stooge socks.

If there's no fraud there's no need for an act. The only reason trumptards are screaming about the non-existent voter fraud is they know they've fucked the world and no trumptard will be elected again for a half century.

I accept your surrender that there is NO voter fraud.

Bitch.

 

[QP!]

So, you never see them, even in this thread, telling us that it isn't a "big problem"? I think you are lying to yourself. They excuse fraud because they say it is not "widespread" and any activity to stop it is somehow "racist"... or at this time it is "women will be affected"... which is utter nonsense.

What a stupid thing to say ..."....they excuse fraud."

No, they recognize some level of fraud (all crime) will ALWAYS exist, and the approach is to that is to take sensible and meaningful measures when that crime is impactful and not just act or react irrationally just so you can say you are doing something, to try and sooth the qualms of the irrational.

There is not one thing that could be done to eliminate fraud in elections. NOTHING. It can always happen. It can always be a risk. The question is does it rise to any level approaching anything even close to DETERMINATIVE. Meaning 'does the small amount of fraud have any impact'.

If you answer NO, which is the factual answer, and it is NOT helping one side over another, then what is the purpose of taking significant measures to address it when the day after you take those measures FRAUD WILL STILL EXIST thus you could argue more significant measures are needed, and again the next day FRAUD WILL STILL EXIST.

Only a stupid person does not see the never ending cycle of useless and meaningless actions resulting in NOT eliminating fraud and that certain stupid people keep crying 'BUT LETS DO THE ACTIONS ANYWAY... WHY NOT?'

 

[Uncensored2008]

I bet the majority of people here vote in person... Because it's simple... I bet even some of you have worked the polls... I have... It's the American thing to do... Get an ID ...everyone needs one...

I'll even bet the majority of people here have ID.

Even black people, EVEN women - though Morning Joe said Mika is far too stupid to get ID....

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

So you haven't read the bill either. Thanks.

PS -- "Illegals" aren't voting. If you believe that b.s., please provide the evidence. Thanks.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Again, for magats who are too stupid, i know this will go over your head.

Trumps and Magats are REFUSING to include in 'Real ID' forms of ID that they find are most used by Dem voters even when States say they will ensure they meet the qualifications that Hunters License and the other forms of 'accepted ID' meet.

Why?

Answer : Because this is not about making sure people have 'real ID' or they would allow State Universities to update their Student ID's to those standards and then accept them and THEY REFUSE to allow that.

So the proper question you need to ask RB, if you were not so poorly educated, is 'why the left will not play this game with the magats when it is such a dishonest game'.

You're lying.

Or at least repeating a lie that is popular on hate sites run by the hive.

Real ID is the preferred method of registering under the SAVE act.

The flat out lie you are telling is based on an early draft of SAVE that called for visible marking on the ID that indicated if the holder was a US Citizen. But that version was culled months ago as unnecessary. Under the actual proposed law, ID must be run - so having it marked on the ID is irrelevant. The verification will return whether the holder is a citizen or not.

You're just doing what democrats do, blatantly lying.

 

[QP!]

Are any of your complaints illegal? If legal, aren't both parties doing it? Any factual numbers or just the emotional appeal?

it is 100% emotional appeal (feelings) as @Damocles has again fallen for magat media talking points and does not realize it.


It would be the same as arguing, that despite living in one of the statistically safest cities, that because 'crime still happens' we should be ok adding new rules that shred our legal rights. Allow cops to stop and search anyone. To demand ID from anyone at any time. And so on and so on. And Damo would say 'why not... i have fear', as if society has to act on his irrational fears not based on any fact or data and when the solution he says will help his fear will not stop the crime he claims to want to stop.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

There is no fraud at a measurable scale which could sway elections.

As Bill Barr, the Attorney of the United States, agreed.

Convincing whacked out nutjobs on the Internet? That's a question that seems more sports related than intellectual. LOL

 

[FastLane]

Gotta say - you're really a whataboutism master.

Your hypocrisy bothers me.

 

[BartenderElite]

Your hypocrisy bothers me.

What have I been hypocritical about?