Socialism does not exist. The countries the ignorant Republicans call socialist are capitalistic. The difference is they use some of the wealth to help the people. They provide universal healthcare and school tuition. They have safety nets for the people. Their happiness coefficient is far above America's. The wealthy will give you nothing.
Mamdani Socialist?
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Tobytone
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Oh boy, here we go. What country are you dreaming about this time? Sweden, Denmark, or Norway? None of them are socialist, you dumbass. Each has its own reasons for the bloated safety nets you think are free handouts. They've actually become quite the hardcore capitalist, with corporate taxes so low they made the U.S. look like a commie tax trap before Trump slashed that nonsense. Sweden’s got about 10 million people. Norway’s about half that. Why’s that matter? I could write a book you’d whine was too long to read, so let’s skip the Nordic fairytale and talk real socialist hellholes like China, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, or Nicaragua. You’d need a truckload of cash to survive those dumps without crying for mommy.
Your pathetic obsession with these Nordic pipe dreams has been obliterated so many times, it’s a miracle you brain-dead lefties still trot them out like your economic wizards. Ditch the memes, crack a book, and use that cobweb-filled skull, where Trump’s been living rent-free, for something other than parroting propaganda. Those “perfect” countries lean on tiny populations, no need for defense, Norway’s oil cash, and a hundred other reasons they haven’t tanked.
Reality? They’ve been ditching socialism for years, gutting welfare benefits and cutting taxes to lure billionaires. Sweden’s corporate rate is 20%. Norway’s 22%, lower than the U.S. was pre-Trump. Your intellectual laziness is exploited by lefty propagandists who keep pointing to these fake socialist idols while they're sprinting toward capitalism with every passing year and bloated bills.
Why mess with countries more capitalist than we were when you’ve got actual socialist disasters to study? China’s dystopian cage, Venezuela’s breadline apocalypse, Cuba’s crumbling time capsule, pick one. Or go back a bit further and check the twentieth century’s scorecard on libtard elites forcing their “genius” socialist plans on the world. They’re always so “concerned” about the poor, so sure their bloated egos can outsmart the rest of us peasants if we'd just listen and obey. Keep swallowing that Nordic myth like the gullible libtard drones you are, while reality keeps on not giving a shit about your stupidity.
QP!
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Terry you honestly need to get off non stop 24 hour Magat media as Trump has already started implementing his socialist agenda and it Mamdani who you need say "let me know when he mandates it and you might have something".Let me know when he mandates it and you might have something.
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T. A. Gardner
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QP!
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Trump is actively pushing that Big Government should be involved in many areas that are template for countries prior moving from Democratic to socialist strong man regimes.
Firing officials in independent agencies and putting in party loyalist, telling corporations to fire CEO's and who to hire, putting government in as stakeholders to private or publicly listed companies by leveraging the pressure of giving them contracts or not and so many more things i could list that were the template for Venezuela and Hungary's and other nations swing.
But that is missing the point Terry, as you always do. the point is you had people on the right, like you, losing their mind over 'Mamdani wants gov't to invest in and control a handful of grocery stores while leaving all the private sector ones alone' as the 'dangers of a socialist', and those same magats, like you Terry, will go out of your way to say Trump actually having his gov't take stakes in PRIVATE OR PUBLIC COMPANIES and to try and influence their decision making, is an ok thing to do.
What Trump is ACTUALLY doing is far more socialist (intruding the gov't into private and public co's) then the gov't simply owning a small number of grocery stores while leaving the private market to still do its thing.
T. A. Gardner
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What happens when Mamdani slaps rent controls on every rental property in NYC? What happens when he opens government run and subsidized grocery stores?
Trump isn't doing anything at this point the last half-dozen presidents haven't also done but got little or no hysteria from the MSM over.
QP!
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Let me know when he mandates it and you might have something.QP!
Let me quote this quote this who said this about Trump and then i did tell him and SHOW HIM Trump is already doing it...
Because until you can let me know when he does is you got nothing.
But Trump on the other hand... is already all-in on his socialist agenda push.
QP!
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LIES.
In prior instances of modern times, request for equity were tied to things like Bailouts where the company were at risk and it was determined a Bail Out was required because companies were considered too big to fail, and thus failure would impact the greater economy and cost the government one way or the other, (whether you or i like that or not), and since the companies were cash strapped (thus the bailout) equity was taken in return and generally sold and exited as soon as the company became healthy again.
Trump is not doing that. and is not positioning this as a bail out. He is saying the government is a strategic investor who expects returns and he is leveraging that the government gives them contracts, that holds the underlying threat the government could not give them contracts, as his negotiating point.
Prior gov'ts took equity in what was a reactive band aide approach when no other path to taxpayer repayment could be seen, whereas Trump is showing them a gun and asking for equity.
QP!
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@T. A. Gardner you always tend to reply with a 'but the Dems did it prior... therefore it is ok for Trump to do it' on many issues just as you trying to do now.
Explain to me that if the magats or right hates socialism and thinks its bad why you would support your leader, and leader on the right going even more socialist just because 'the other side did it' and instead you would not expect your leader to not do it?
Is it better to say 'you hate socialism if it is a Dem doing it but will embrace and justify it if it is the right or a magat doing it?'
Explain to me that if the magats or right hates socialism and thinks its bad why you would support your leader, and leader on the right going even more socialist just because 'the other side did it' and instead you would not expect your leader to not do it?
Is it better to say 'you hate socialism if it is a Dem doing it but will embrace and justify it if it is the right or a magat doing it?'
QP!
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Again more socialism from Trump knowing Nvidia needs gov't approval to sell certain products into China and to make that great profit, Trump conditions permission on the his gov't getting a cut.
This is what you see in Authoritarian China or Russia but what @T. A. Gardner will be here to lie about suggesting all companies do it.
There is either a security reason to block the sale or there is not. Government permission when it is fine to sell in to that market should never be conditioned on getting a cut.