Man forced to ditch $115K Ford EV truck during family road trip to Chicago

[anonymoose]

BTW, we rarely agree on anything

 

[RB 60]

And yet my friend and neighbour is on his third Tesla, has done only basic, routine maintenance, has never needed to charge outside work or condo, both of which provide chargers, other than a handful of times and he says he has not paid for gas in all those years other than when he is traveling and has to rent an ICE vehicle. He says hands down the EV has saved him a ton of money and conveniance.

So, why is he on his third Tesla? Because they are so efficient?

 

[Hawkeye10]

So, why is he on his third Tesla? Because they are so efficient?

The average age of American, almost all gas, cars is 12.5 years.

This is NOT something that the Revolution wants talked about.

 

[RB 60]

The average age of American, almost all gas, cars is 12.5 years.

This is NOT something that the Revolution wants talked about.

I had my '87 Lincoln Mk VII LSC for 20 years. It'd still be on the road if the stupid kid that bought it didn't wreck it.
Go to a car show, you'll see cars far older than my old Lincoln. You won't see a Tesla though...

 

[Hawkeye10]

I had my '87 Lincoln Mk VII LSC for 20 years. It'd still be on the road if the stupid kid that bought it didn't wreck it.
Go to a car show, you'll see cars far older than my old Lincoln. You won't see a Tesla though...

New very expensive (av $60K) vehicles coming off the lines now are the worst built in prob 30 years, but Old America did perfect the building of cars.

 

[QP!]

Wife and I had this discussion yesterday . We agreed ev’s are ok as a commuter car but otherwise impractical.

As i always say, the way the technology is currently it is perfect for about 90% of the city people and their typical daily commutes, which constitute work, home, errands around the city.

That is the vast bulk of the population's driving ~95% of the time, by my guesstimate. Short trips, never needing a charge outside home or work.

For those that have broader needs an EV might not be quite up to their needs yet, or maybe the EV is there everyday work car but they have an ICE vehicle for other needs.

This is not an 'all or none' nor 'EV's are perfect' situation. It is a rapidly growing and improving technology that is on the front edge of technology growth curve and the gains will come fast now as manufacturing moves into a mass production phase.


I would be shocked, if within 10 years there is still any reason to drive an ICE vehicle but nostalgia. If the tech improves comparable to how most tech does in these early mass production commercialization stages ICE will just be way to expensive in every regard as compared to EV. Think of the early cell phones compared to today. Think of the early ICE engine compared to today. EV's are at the very front edge of their tech advancement curve. ICE is on the bottom of the back edge of their curve. ICE is a fully mature technology with only very marginal improvements still coming.

 

[QP!]

So, why is he on his third Tesla? Because they are so efficient?

He is a stinking rich tech entrepreneur who has started and sold two tech companies in other verticals and always likes to own the newest techs.

 

[Stringfellow Hawk]

Fake news.

Hard to believe the lengths Faux News will go to and the depths they will stoop to, just to put out bullshit propaganda like this.

I wonder who got paid and how much, to put this bullshit in the fake news.

it was on NBC last night, they must be fake too

 

[Stringfellow Hawk]

As i always say, the way the technology is currently it is perfect for about 90% of the city people and their typical daily commutes, which constitute work, home, errands around the city.

That is the vast bulk of the population's driving ~95% of the time, by my guesstimate. Short trips, never needing a charge outside home or work.

For those that have broader needs an EV might not be quite up to their needs yet, or maybe the EV is there everyday work car but they have an ICE vehicle for other needs.

This is not an 'all or none' nor 'EV's are perfect' situation. It is a rapidly growing and improving technology that is on the front edge of technology growth curve and the gains will come fast now as manufacturing moves into a mass production phase.


I would be shocked, if within 10 years there is still any reason to drive an ICE vehicle but nostalgia. If the tech improves comparable to how most tech does in these early mass production commercialization stages ICE will just be way to expensive in every regard as compared to EV. Think of the early cell phones compared to today. Think of the early ICE engine compared to today. EV's are at the very front edge of their tech advancement curve. ICE is on the bottom of the back edge of their curve. ICE is a fully mature technology with only very marginal improvements still coming.

I could not get to the closest major airport and back without a charge, ridiculous

 

[Stringfellow Hawk]

Bullshit and propaganda out of the environment-hating right are rampant.

I stay in Hiltons and Marriott chain hotels every other week, most have two or less chargers that work and it is interesting watching the guests fight over them

 

[Into the Night]

I suppose rightys cannot understand that an incident, however apocryphal, does not prove the whole. There is thread after thread, with an example of something bad about EVs, which may or may not be true. But rightys are so childish, in what they use for logic. That EV got broke down, therefore all EVs are going to That is your level of logic.

It DOES prove the whole. There is NO DIFFERENCE between one F150 Lightning piece of shit and another.
The EV did NOT break down. Hallucination.

ALL electric vehicles face similar problems for one reason or another. Many have already been listed here on JPP so don't ask again.

The communism that is EV subsidies is not welcome. I do not like paying for YOUR car. It is tyranny.
The fascism of EV mandates is not welcome. That is tyranny.

Don't try to deny what is happening either. Mandates are being put in place. Subsidies are already in place and you were happy to claim 'elite' status.
You're a piece of shit and and advocate for theft and tyranny.

 

[Yakuda]

‘biggest scam of modern times’

A Canadian man is calling electric vehicles the "biggest scam of modern times" after his frustrating experience with an electric truck.

Dalbir Bala, who lives in the Winnipeg area, bought a Ford F150 Lightning EV in January for $115,000, plus tax. He told FOX Business he needed the vehicle for his work, but also wanted something suitable for recreational activities such as driving to his cabin or going fishing. He also wanted an environmentally friendly vehicle as owning one is "responsible citizenship these days."

But Bala was quickly hit with the reality of owning and operating an EV soon after the purchase. The vehicle compelled him to install two charges – one at work and one at home – for $10,000. To accommodate the charger, he had to upgrade his home’s electric panel for $6,000.

In all, Bala spent more than $130,000 – plus tax.

Not long after the purchase, Bala got into a minor accident which, he said, required "light assembly" on the front bumper. Bala took the vehicle to the body shop and did not get it back for six months. He said no one from Ford answered his email or phone calls for help.

The limitations of the EV truck became even more apparent when Bala embarked on a chaotic 1,400-mile road trip to Chicago.

Fast charging stations – which only charge EV’s up to 90% – cost more than gas for the same mileage. On the family’s first stop in Fargo, North Dakota, it took two hours and $56 to charge his vehicle from 10% to 90%. The charge was good for another 215 miles.

On the second stop, in Albertville, Minnesota, the free charger was faulty and the phone number on the charging station was of no help, he said. The family drove to another charging station in Elk River, Minnesota, but the charger was faulty there as well.

"This sheer helplessness was mind-boggling," Bala wrote in an online post. "My kids and wife were really worried and stressed at this point."

There were no other fast charging stations within range of Elk River and his vehicle only had 12 miles left.

"By now it was late afternoon. We were really stuck, hungry, and heartbroken," Bala said.

Bala ultimately had the vehicle towed to a Ford dealership in Elk River and rented a regular gas vehicle to complete the family’s trip to Chicago. The family picked up the F150 on their way back to Winnipeg.

"It was in [the] shop for 6 months. I can’t take it to my lake cabin. I cannot take it for off-grid camping. I cannot take for even a road trip," Bala wrote. "I can only drive in city – biggest scam of modern times."

https://www.foxbusiness.com/technol...y-road-trip-chicago-biggest-scam-modern-times

And Joe Capitalist pisses his pants. Don't forget that part.

 

[Into the Night]

I know, most lefties have no mechanical understanding and can't make change without a calculator. Look at all those dumbass college kids needing to be bailed out because they can't manage their finances

They cause their own misery because of this. They then try to force others to join their misery.

 

[Nomad]

it was on NBC last night, they must be fake too

Sure it was.

I stay in Hiltons and Marriott chain hotels every other week, most have two or less chargers that work and it is interesting watching the guests fight over them

Sure you do.

 

[Into the Night]

And yet my friend and neighbour is on his third Tesla, has done only basic, routine maintenance, has never needed to charge outside work or condo, both of which provide chargers, other than a handful of times and he says he has not paid for gas in all those years other than when he is traveling and has to rent an ICE vehicle. He says hands down the EV has saved him a ton of money and conveniance.

Religious chanting. You are AGAIN failing to account for all costs associated with owning an EV.

 

[Into the Night]

Even though I sympathize with this Consumer, I can also see where he may have had to high an expectation for using this vehicle for a 1400 mile trip.

First of all, in my opinion, EV's are luxury items. They are very expensive, most especially fully loaded crew cab Pickup Trucks.

Most of the people that select them, do not select them as recreational vehicles for taking trips out of town. One would have to do some very good trip planning to avoid all the potential hassles that one may encounter out there 700 miles from home.

To most people that can afford these luxury EV pickups, fast charging costs are no big deal. Fast Charging stations can cost anywhere from 48 cents a kilowatt hour, all the way to over $1 a Kilowatt hour. Fast Charging is a business all in itself. They are strictly there for convenience for those that can justify the cost.

And as for the upgrading of existing Breaker panels to meet the needs of an auto-charging station, many things need to be considered before jumping into that. Because not every home or business has the luxury of having a Q-Box panel where you just plug and play. If you have the capacity already in your current panel, any homeowner can normally and safely install a sub panel with just a minimal electrical knowledge that would accommodate a new auto-charging station. If not, then you are looking at having to have some Licensed Electrician install it, and that would be very expensive. I really don't see how it cost this man 10 Grand to have two of them installed though! Sounds like he got ripped off there!

And I have never heard of an auto repair shop that took 6 months to repair a bumper. THAT SOUNDS A BIT UNBELIEVABLE!

Personally, if I were this man, I would probably have purchased a Hybrid first time out. A total EV would be a culture shock for me as a first time buyer into electric vehicles.

It is a way to test the water before diving right in!

Next!

I know of cases where it took over a year to repair a bumper. Parts are sometimes quite hard to get.

 

[Into the Night]

I have bene\ring n EV for years and have never run out of charge. Therefore, no EV owner has ever done that.
Evs are far, far cheaper to operate than ICEs.
You know nothing about it.

Blatant lies.
EV owners have had to get trucked (you can't tow them) to a charging station because they RAN OUT OF CHARGE. AGAIN you are failing to account for all the costs with owning an EV.

 

[Into the Night]

Fake news.

Hard to believe the lengths Faux News will go to and the depths they will stoop to, just to put out bullshit propaganda like this.

I wonder who got paid and how much, to put this bullshit in the fake news.

Nope. It's not fake news.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

I don't deny that electric cars are probably not adequately developed yet.

The Germans invented the gasoline-powered motorcar around 1885 or 1886.
[Don't feel embarrassed. Just a few years later, Americans invented the gasoline-powered airplane.]

It shouldn't take EVs that long to catch up, but they're apparently not ready yet.

Do you know what bothers me more than electric motors?
Modern unibody construction.
Today's exoskeleton cars are obscenely expensive disposables.
Minor contact and they're rubble.

Body-on-frame cars are virtually legislated out of existence,
but the very best vehicles I've ever owned were built in that configuration.

 

[Into the Night]

Bullshit and propaganda out of the environment-hating right are rampant.

It is not bullshit. At a fuel station in Fargo, ND that I stopped at that had a row of Tesla chargers, NONE OF THEM WORKED. The fellow running the place complained about the way they constantly broke down. He CAN'T MAKE MONEY from a charger that doesn't work!