Mellissa Carone; New Queen of the Republican Party?

Hello ThatOwlWoman,



Right on. Thank you.

No need to CP the whole thing.

They put the first few paragraphs.

Just need everything after

"Can the president pardon his children, his family and his close associates"

Here you go.
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The answer is almost certainly yes. The U.S. Constitution grants the president the power “to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States”—with few limits on that power found either in the text of the Constitution or in subsequent court decisions.

The provision has been interpreted to allow presidents to grant pardons, which expunge charges completely, or commutations, which lessen a sentence. The president can also reduce or cancel fines.

In 1866, the U.S. Supreme Court held that the power to grant pardons “is unlimited except in cases of impeachment.” It added: “It extends to every offense known to the law, and may be exercised at any time after its commission, either before legal proceedings are taken or during their pendency, or after conviction and judgment.”

Pardons can’t be revoked or reversed by a president’s successor.

There is even recent precedent for a president offering pardons to his family and close associates. As Bill Clinton left office in 2000, he pardoned his half-brother Roger Clinton, as well as a longtime friend and associate, Susan McDougal, who had served jail time for refusing to testify as part of an investigation into Mr. Clinton.

Can the president pardon himself?

In a brief 1974 legal memorandum written days before Richard Nixon resigned over his role in the Watergate scandal, the Justice Department said that a president can’t give a pardon to himself under the age-old legal principle that “no one may be a judge in his own case.”

No president has ever tried to pardon himself, and some legal scholars disagree with the 1974 Justice Department opinion.

“The answer is crystal clear: No one knows, and we will probably never obtain a definitive answer,” Harvard Prof. Alan Dershowitz wrote in a 2018 op-ed. Others, like former federal prosecutor Andy McCarthy, argue that the president is allowed to self-pardon.

Mr. Trump appears to believe he can grant himself clemency. In June 2018 he wrote on Twitter: “As has been stated by numerous legal scholars, I have the absolute right to PARDON myself, but why would I do that when I have done nothing wrong?”

Despite the 1974 Justice Department opinion, Mr. Trump could try to write himself a pardon before he leaves office. The issue would only ever reach a judge if a future Justice Department decided to try to indict him, which would then force a court to weigh in on the issue.

Must a pardon be for specific crimes? Can the president write a blanket pardon even if a person isn’t currently under investigation?

“Pardons are usually for specific things,” said Jonathan Adler, a law professor at Case Western Reserve University. “There are reasons to doubt that a pardon can simply say ‘any and all violations of federal law that have ever been committed.’”

But the exact boundaries of how expansive a pardon can be are untested—and many presidents have granted broad amnesty or other clemencies to groups of people.

Gerald Ford’s pardon of Mr. Nixon was quite broad—pardoning the ex-president for “all offenses against the United States” during the period of his presidency.

Other pardons involved large numbers of people. Jimmy Carter issued blanket pardons to those who evaded the military draft during the Vietnam War. George Washington and John Adams issued amnesty to those who participated in rebellions against federal tax collectors and James Madison pardoned a large number of pirates operating in Louisiana, while Abraham Lincoln and Andrew Johnson granted extensive amnesty to former Confederates after the Civil War.

Mr. Trump’s pardon of Mr. Flynn freed him from any crimes within the jurisdiction of the special counsel’s investigation.

A president can issue pardons before any charges are brought. Most legal scholars agree that a president cannot issue pardon for crimes not yet committed, but could promise a future pardon to an associate planning to commit a crime.

The framers of the Constitution worried about such a possibility when drafting the power, but believed it could be checked through impeachment.

“What people feared it would be used for is that the president would send forth his minions to do dastardly things with the promise that once the acts were committed, they would be pardoned,” said Mr. Adler. “Fortunately, in our history, we have not seen that.”

Are there any checks on the pardon power?

The Supreme Court has held that the pardon power is beyond the control of Congress, meaning that absent a constitutional amendment there is little the legislature could do to check the power.

Any corruption in exchange for a pardon could potentially be investigated and charged as a separate crime in some circumstances, though that would likely not nullify the pardon itself.

The Justice Department did open an investigation into the circumstances around Mr. Clinton’s pardon of fugitive financier Marc Rich, but closed the investigation several years later without any charges. The late Mr. Rich’s wife had been a substantial donor to Democratic causes, including being a major benefactor to Mr. Clinton’s presidential library.

Does the presidential pardon power apply to state offenses?

No. A president can only issue pardons for federal crimes. Presidential clemency couldn’t stop state officials from investigating potential state law violations by Mr. Trump, his associates or his family members.

New York state prosecutors are fighting for access to Mr. Trump’s tax returns as part of a wide-ranging criminal investigation being conducted by Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. into possible insurance or bank fraud. In addition, the New York attorney general is conducting a separate civil investigation.

The president has no ability to curtail or bring to an end those investigations using his pardon power.

Write to Byron Tau at byron.tau@wsj.com
 
Hello ThatOwlWoman,

Here you go.
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The answer is almost certainly yes. The U.S. Constitution grants the president the power “to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States”—with few limits on that power found either in the text of the Constitution or in subsequent court decisions.

The provision has been interpreted to allow presidents to grant pardons, which expunge charges completely, or commutations, which lessen a sentence. The president can also reduce or cancel fines.

In 1866, the U.S. Supreme Court held that the power to grant pardons “is unlimited except in cases of impeachment.” It added: “It extends to every offense known to the law, and may be exercised at any time after its commission, either before legal proceedings are taken or during their pendency, or after conviction and judgment.”

Pardons can’t be revoked or reversed by a president’s successor.

There is even recent precedent for a president offering pardons to his family and close associates. As Bill Clinton left office in 2000, he pardoned his half-brother Roger Clinton, as well as a longtime friend and associate, Susan McDougal, who had served jail time for refusing to testify as part of an investigation into Mr. Clinton.

Can the president pardon himself?

In a brief 1974 legal memorandum written days before Richard Nixon resigned over his role in the Watergate scandal, the Justice Department said that a president can’t give a pardon to himself under the age-old legal principle that “no one may be a judge in his own case.”

No president has ever tried to pardon himself, and some legal scholars disagree with the 1974 Justice Department opinion.

“The answer is crystal clear: No one knows, and we will probably never obtain a definitive answer,” Harvard Prof. Alan Dershowitz wrote in a 2018 op-ed. Others, like former federal prosecutor Andy McCarthy, argue that the president is allowed to self-pardon.

Mr. Trump appears to believe he can grant himself clemency. In June 2018 he wrote on Twitter: “As has been stated by numerous legal scholars, I have the absolute right to PARDON myself, but why would I do that when I have done nothing wrong?”

Despite the 1974 Justice Department opinion, Mr. Trump could try to write himself a pardon before he leaves office. The issue would only ever reach a judge if a future Justice Department decided to try to indict him, which would then force a court to weigh in on the issue.

Must a pardon be for specific crimes? Can the president write a blanket pardon even if a person isn’t currently under investigation?

“Pardons are usually for specific things,” said Jonathan Adler, a law professor at Case Western Reserve University. “There are reasons to doubt that a pardon can simply say ‘any and all violations of federal law that have ever been committed.’”

But the exact boundaries of how expansive a pardon can be are untested—and many presidents have granted broad amnesty or other clemencies to groups of people.

Gerald Ford’s pardon of Mr. Nixon was quite broad—pardoning the ex-president for “all offenses against the United States” during the period of his presidency.

Other pardons involved large numbers of people. Jimmy Carter issued blanket pardons to those who evaded the military draft during the Vietnam War. George Washington and John Adams issued amnesty to those who participated in rebellions against federal tax collectors and James Madison pardoned a large number of pirates operating in Louisiana, while Abraham Lincoln and Andrew Johnson granted extensive amnesty to former Confederates after the Civil War.

Mr. Trump’s pardon of Mr. Flynn freed him from any crimes within the jurisdiction of the special counsel’s investigation.

A president can issue pardons before any charges are brought. Most legal scholars agree that a president cannot issue pardon for crimes not yet committed, but could promise a future pardon to an associate planning to commit a crime.

The framers of the Constitution worried about such a possibility when drafting the power, but believed it could be checked through impeachment.

“What people feared it would be used for is that the president would send forth his minions to do dastardly things with the promise that once the acts were committed, they would be pardoned,” said Mr. Adler. “Fortunately, in our history, we have not seen that.”

Are there any checks on the pardon power?

The Supreme Court has held that the pardon power is beyond the control of Congress, meaning that absent a constitutional amendment there is little the legislature could do to check the power.

Any corruption in exchange for a pardon could potentially be investigated and charged as a separate crime in some circumstances, though that would likely not nullify the pardon itself.

The Justice Department did open an investigation into the circumstances around Mr. Clinton’s pardon of fugitive financier Marc Rich, but closed the investigation several years later without any charges. The late Mr. Rich’s wife had been a substantial donor to Democratic causes, including being a major benefactor to Mr. Clinton’s presidential library.

Does the presidential pardon power apply to state offenses?

No. A president can only issue pardons for federal crimes. Presidential clemency couldn’t stop state officials from investigating potential state law violations by Mr. Trump, his associates or his family members.

New York state prosecutors are fighting for access to Mr. Trump’s tax returns as part of a wide-ranging criminal investigation being conducted by Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. into possible insurance or bank fraud. In addition, the New York attorney general is conducting a separate civil investigation.

The president has no ability to curtail or bring to an end those investigations using his pardon power.

Write to Byron Tau at byron.tau@wsj.com

"Most legal scholars agree that a president cannot issue pardon for crimes not yet committed"

There ya go. That's what I was looking for.

But in this case, it appears many crimes have already been committed, but no charges have been brought.

So what Trump would have to do would be to list the charges he thinks he might face and include them in his self-pardon. Unless he simply copies the “all offenses against the United States” language for his self-pardon.

I would like to think that if he did that, it might spur actual action on a new Constitutional Amendment to prevent future presidents from blanket self-pardons which essentially raise them to above-the-law status. Not many people are really ready to grant all future presidents such blanket immunity, and there is a lot of animosity at Trump.

It could even be done before 2024.

So if Trump were reelected his fist blanket pardon would cover himself for his first term, but it would not extend to his second, and he would then be unable to self-pardon.
 
Hello ThatOwlWoman,



"Most legal scholars agree that a president cannot issue pardon for crimes not yet committed"

There ya go. That's what I was looking for.

But in this case, it appears many crimes have already been committed, but no charges have been brought.

So what Trump would have to do would be to list the charges he thinks he might face and include them in his self-pardon. Unless he simply copies the “all offenses against the United States” language for his self-pardon.

I would like to think that if he did that, it might spur actual action on a new Constitutional Amendment to prevent future presidents from blanket self-pardons which essentially raise them to above-the-law status. Not many people are really ready to grant all future presidents such blanket immunity, and there is a lot of animosity at Trump.

It could even be done before 2024.

So if Trump were reelected his fist blanket pardon would cover himself for his first term, but it would not extend to his second, and he would then be unable to self-pardon.

I doubt if there is the will to amend the Constitution regarding the pardon powers. Most people believe that's what impeachment is for.
 
I doubt if there is the will to amend the Constitution regarding the pardon powers. Most people believe that's what impeachment is for.

Due to the current dysfunctional state of our Federal government, I doubt Congress could agree that Freedom is a good thing much less pass an Amendment for ratification.
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

Due to the current dysfunctional state of our Federal government, I doubt Congress could agree that Freedom is a good thing much less pass an Amendment for ratification.

Congress is not required for a Constitutional Amendment.
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

Congress is not required for a Constitutional Amendment.
Correct.

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If a president was able to pardon himself, he would be above the law. The constitution does not support that. Trump and Nixon were believers in the imperial presidency. If the pres could pardon himself, he would enter office knowing that he could get away with anything. There would be no laws for him.
 
I was under the misimpression that SNL was on hiatus.
Thankfully, they were on the air to commemorate Ms. Carone's very special performance.

Thanks, Rudy. Even the extraordinarily talented Kate McKinnon can't do you justice.
 
I was under the misimpression that SNL was on hiatus.
Thankfully, they were on the air to commemorate Ms. Carone's very special performance.

Thanks, Rudy. Even the extraordinarily talented Kate McKinnon can't do you justice.

They were on hiatus but have 3 new episodes out. If you have the NBC app, you can watch them all.
 
It appears Melissa* has been a naughty girl. Looking forward to the Melissa sex tapes. :D






* The correct spelling according to her Twitter account which she has now blocked from public view.
 
Can you prove you're not Legion?

No. Do you really think I'm Legion? Based on what logic?

BTW, more on Mellissa's sex crimes: https://lawandcrime.com/2020-electi...ly-on-probation-because-of-raunchy-recording/
According to reports by the Daily Mail and Deadline Detroit, Carone’s appearance alongside Giuliani came after she appeared in court to face two criminal charges. The named defendant on court documents referenced in those reports is Mellissa Anne Wright, which the reports say was Carone’s former name. According to case records on file with the 28th Judicial District in Southgate, Mich., which Law&Crime reviewed, the original charges were first-degree obscenity and using a computer to commit a crime. Court records indicate both were misdemeanors. The records say the obscenity count was reduced to a count of disorderly circumstances warranting alarm; the computer crime count was dismissed by the prosecutor.
 
No. Do you really think I'm Legion? Based on what logic?

BTW, more on Mellissa's sex crimes: https://lawandcrime.com/2020-electi...ly-on-probation-because-of-raunchy-recording/
According to reports by the Daily Mail and Deadline Detroit, Carone’s appearance alongside Giuliani came after she appeared in court to face two criminal charges. The named defendant on court documents referenced in those reports is Mellissa Anne Wright, which the reports say was Carone’s former name. According to case records on file with the 28th Judicial District in Southgate, Mich., which Law&Crime reviewed, the original charges were first-degree obscenity and using a computer to commit a crime. Court records indicate both were misdemeanors. The records say the obscenity count was reduced to a count of disorderly circumstances warranting alarm; the computer crime count was dismissed by the prosecutor.

Well, if you can't prove that you're not Legion, then, you're Legion...
 
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