Men, are you willing to risk what Daniel Penny endured to protect women & children?

Men, are you willing to risk what Daniel Penny endured to protect women & children?

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Daniel Penny escaped being found guilty on all counts in a Manhattan courtroom.

But his life is ruined, IMO, and he still faces virulent, widespread hatred, and at least one civil suit.

Who knows what federal "crimes" he'll be hit with next?

Men, are you now going to risk protecting women you don't know and their kids from crazy people now?

Vote, and drop your answers below.
 
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Understandable. Not voting?
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No, not nuanced enough.

Yes, in states where you have a right to self-defense and are presumed innocent if you do.

No, in Progressive Democrat run states where you have either no right to self-defense or a very limited one and are presumed guilty of a violent crime if you do until you can prove your innocence.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
No, not nuanced enough.

Yes, in states where you have a right to self-defense and are presumed innocent if you do.

No, in Progressive Democrat run states where you have either no right to self-defense or a very limited one and are presumed guilty of a violent crime if you do until you can prove your innocence.
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OK, I can respect that.
 
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OK, I can respect that.
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Arizona is one of the only, if not the only state, that puts a presumption of self-defense on someone who kills or injures a person in situations like break ins, threating behavior, etc. That is, the state has to prove it wasn't self-defense, which is a very high bar, rather than the person involved having to prove it was self-defense like Penny did in NY while the state can charge him with murder and manslaughter with a presumption of guilt.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Arizona is one of the only, if not the only state, that puts a presumption of self-defense on someone who kills or injures a person in situations like break ins, threating behavior, etc. That is, the state has to prove it wasn't self-defense, which is a very high bar, rather than the person involved having to prove it was self-defense like Penny did in NY while the state can charge him with murder and manslaughter with a presumption of guilt.
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But if you unintentionally kill someone the left pretends to care about, your life will still be ruined, IMO, and you'll still face virulent, widespread hatred, possible federal charges and civil suits.
 
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But if you unintentionally kill someone the left pretends to care about, your life will still be ruined, IMO, and you'll still face virulent, widespread hatred, possible federal charges and civil suits.
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Not in Arizona. In NY, California, Massachusetts, and other bastions of Progressive insanity, yes. Here you get mentioned on page 3 of the newspaper that nobody reads anymore.
 
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But if you unintentionally kill someone the left pretends to care about, your life will still be ruined, IMO, and you'll still face virulent, widespread hatred, possible federal charges and civil suits.
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Idk about you, but IDGAF Legion. Right is right and wrong is wrong.
I tend to know how to act in crises, too.
I can work under pressure.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Pretty much, because it would go virtually unreported so the usual suspects on the Left wouldn't even know it happened.
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I really don't think that's a realistic expectation. Everybody with a cellphone is a potential source of publicity these days.
 
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I really don't think that's a realistic expectation. Everybody with a cellphone is a potential source of publicity these days.
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But it still remains that without the MSM and other widespread media outlets picking it up it won't get disseminated in a way that will bring Leftist outrage.

For example, say, an older white male living in a trailer park has his home broken into by a young minority ("person of color") male and the older man shoots him dead. The police come, the minority male is hauled to the morgue and the police close the case almost immediately. The city / county DA's office doesn't even bother to more than cursorily review the case because they know they'll never meet their high burden of proof.
So, the next day or two, a short blurb in the local news says this happened and that's that. No media outrage. No further government involvement. For most on the Left it's as if it never happened because they never heard about it.

In NY that same thing would see the police arrest the old man and the DA open a case to bring capital charges against him. The local media, far more Leftist, turns it into an outrage over a white man shooting a minority. The whole thing burgeons up in the media. There are lots of Leftists who immediately become outraged and further stoke the flames. The old white man is forced to use a public pretender to defend himself. The DA seeks a plea deal with the guy going to prison for a decade or two.
 
The right to self defense which no government has the right to remove is a core Western value, which is disappearing as the West dies.
 
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But it still remains that without the MSM and other widespread media outlets picking it up it won't get disseminated in a way that will bring Leftist outrage.
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I really don't think you're thought this line of reasoning through. News outlets (local, regional, national, and international) are eager to accept leads from the public, particularly if there's video evidence of an event that is guaranteed to boost revenues if the story is published online, in print, or on the air.

Then there are numerous activist organizations whose very existence depends on airing grievances. Do you think BLM, the ADL, the ACLU, the NAACP and a host of others would pass up a video of you killing a protected class of person because it happened in a Red state?
 
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