Minimum wage is an issue of character.

[Supposn]

Minimum wage is an issue of character.

The essence of personal and political opposition to the FMW rate.

The federal minimum wage, (FMW) rate is of net social and economic benefit to our nation. It has never been among the major causes of the U.S. dollar’s inflation; on the contrary, it’s certainly among inflations’ victims.

No employees are poorer and no enterprises suffer any competitive disadvantage to any USA enterprises due to the FMW rate.

[there’s no doubt that USA’s higher wage rates are a cause of our products’ price disadvantages in comparison to products from lower-wage nations; but although the elimination of our FMW rate laws would be greatly detrimental to our nation’s net social and economic well-being, eliminating it would accomplish extremely little to remedy our products’ global price disadvantages.
[Refer to Wikipedia’s “Import Certificates” article.]

I suppose most USA’s population, (significantly more than a 10% plurality) to some extent approve of federal minimum rate’s existence. There are few among wealthy or competent people that are opposed to the federal minimum rate.

A great proportion of minimum rate opponents lack self-esteem. They need whatever affirmation of their own worth that they can derive by being able to look down upon people experiencing lesser financial conditions. They cannot acknowledge even to themselves their fears of improving the financial conditions of others would consequentially reduce their own social status. That’s the essence of personal and political opposition to the FMW rate.

Respectfully, Supposn

 

[cawacko]

Wow, fvck economics just attack character. That's the liberal way right? Doesn't matter that the results are bad it's the intentions that matter.

 

[Supposn]

Wow, fvck economics just attack character. That's the liberal way right? Doesn't matter that the results are bad it's the intentions that matter.

Cawacko, your post mention’s the “liberal way”, but I’m assuming you’re responding to my previous post which is the only other post on this thread.

Within a tread other than this one, advocate the gradual increasing and then retaining the value of the achieved significantly greater targeted minimum wage rate’s purchasing power.
A just plain politics member’s response was, “You're a proponent of raising the wages of those that have shown to have no skills and no desire to do any better. In other words, they offer nothing but beg for everything”. (I do not care to speculate regarding that member’s political affiliations).

Participants in discussions may thoughtlessly limit their remarks to only to only those employees earning precisely the federal minimum wage rate of $7.25 per hour, rather than to some lowest wage bracket or percentile of wage rates. Due to the practices of wage differentials, the minimum rate likely affects 40 percentiles of U.S. employees earning the lowest wage rates, to extents ranging from critical to substantial.

The member’s posted response describing “those that have shown to have no skills and no desire to do any better” demeaned the characters of approximately 40% of USA’s entire wage earners. I consider that at best as the member’s thoughtless and hyperbolic statement. If the member had fully thought through his words prior to posting them, then I consider the member’s character as questionable.
Respectfully, Supposn

 

[Celticguy]

Manufacturers here dont pay min wage, just unskiller labor and the odd fast food job.
Its meaningless in global term but crushing in human term and small business.
Teenage unemployment soars when its raised and small businesses fold tents.
Its bad all around.

 

[CFM]

Minimum wage is an issue of character.

The essence of personal and political opposition to the FMW rate.

The federal minimum wage, (FMW) rate is of net social and economic benefit to our nation. It has never been among the major causes of the U.S. dollar’s inflation; on the contrary, it’s certainly among inflations’ victims.

No employees are poorer and no enterprises suffer any competitive disadvantage to any USA enterprises due to the FMW rate.

[there’s no doubt that USA’s higher wage rates are a cause of our products’ price disadvantages in comparison to products from lower-wage nations; but although the elimination of our FMW rate laws would be greatly detrimental to our nation’s net social and economic well-being, eliminating it would accomplish extremely little to remedy our products’ global price disadvantages.
[Refer to Wikipedia’s “Import Certificates” article.]

I suppose most USA’s population, (significantly more than a 10% plurality) to some extent approve of federal minimum rate’s existence. There are few among wealthy or competent people that are opposed to the federal minimum rate.

A great proportion of minimum rate opponents lack self-esteem. They need whatever affirmation of their own worth that they can derive by being able to look down upon people experiencing lesser financial conditions. They cannot acknowledge even to themselves their fears of improving the financial conditions of others would consequentially reduce their own social status. That’s the essence of personal and political opposition to the FMW rate.

Respectfully, Supposn

Someone that makes minimum wage, begs to be paid more, offers nothing in return for the increase, while not having the skills to warrant what the current minimum has no character.

 

[Supposn]

Someone that makes minimum wage, begs to be paid more, offers nothing in return for the increase, while not having the skills to warrant what the current minimum has no character.

CFM, “Skill” and “character” are different attributes and are generally independent of each other.
“Begging” and earning a lower wage rate are different activities and those that do one of them do not necessarily do them both. That persons earning lower or earning the minimum wage rate must or do always beg, is a false conception of your own mind.
Respectfully, Supposn

 

[CFM]

CFM, “Skill” and “character” are different attributes and are generally independent of each other.
“Begging” and earning a lower wage rate are different activities and those that do one of them do not necessarily do them both. That persons earning lower or earning the minimum wage rate must or do always beg, is a false conception of your own mind.
Respectfully, Supposn

Not when someone with a lack of skills begs for an increase in minimum wage. It shows a lack of character.

Not when they're demanding an increase in pay without offering anything in return.

 

[cawacko]

Cawacko, your post mention’s the “liberal way”, but I’m assuming you’re responding to my previous post which is the only other post on this thread.

Within a tread other than this one, advocate the gradual increasing and then retaining the value of the achieved significantly greater targeted minimum wage rate’s purchasing power.
A just plain politics member’s response was, “You're a proponent of raising the wages of those that have shown to have no skills and no desire to do any better. In other words, they offer nothing but beg for everything”. (I do not care to speculate regarding that member’s political affiliations).

Participants in discussions may thoughtlessly limit their remarks to only to only those employees earning precisely the federal minimum wage rate of $7.25 per hour, rather than to some lowest wage bracket or percentile of wage rates. Due to the practices of wage differentials, the minimum rate likely affects 40 percentiles of U.S. employees earning the lowest wage rates, to extents ranging from critical to substantial.

The member’s posted response describing “those that have shown to have no skills and no desire to do any better” demeaned the characters of approximately 40% of USA’s entire wage earners. I consider that at best as the member’s thoughtless and hyperbolic statement. If the member had fully thought through his words prior to posting them, then I consider the member’s character as questionable.
Respectfully, Supposn

Yes, I was responding to your OP. If you created this thread in response to something someone else posted I have no way of knowing that because you made no reference to it.

Reasonable people can disagree over the minimum wage but you attacking people's character because they disagree with you is bullsh*t. "Respectfully" my *ss.

 

[gfm7175]

Minimum wage is an issue of character.

Sort of. It is more-so an issue of price controls.

The essence of personal and political opposition to the FMW rate.

The federal minimum wage, (FMW) rate is of net social and economic benefit to our nation.

No, it is not. It is a price control. Price controls ALWAYS lead to shortages.

It has never been among the major causes of the U.S. dollar’s inflation; on the contrary, it’s certainly among inflations’ victims.

The dollar is inflating because our government has been ever steadily increasing the supply of US dollars available (via printing more of them into existence). This has been steadily reducing the purchasing power of the dollar.

No employees are poorer and no enterprises suffer any competitive disadvantage to any USA enterprises due to the FMW rate.

Wrong. The employees that lost their jobs due to the FMW are poorer. The employees that had their work hours reduced due to the FMW are poorer. Price controls create shortages, plain and simple.

[there’s no doubt that USA’s higher wage rates are a cause of our products’ price disadvantages in comparison to products from lower-wage nations; but although the elimination of our FMW rate laws would be greatly detrimental to our nation’s net social and economic well-being, eliminating it would accomplish extremely little to remedy our products’ global price disadvantages.
[Refer to Wikipedia’s “Import Certificates” article.]

Wikipedia ignored on sight. I do not accept Wikipedia as a source of anything.

I suppose most USA’s population, (significantly more than a 10% plurality) to some extent approve of federal minimum rate’s existence.

IF true, so?

There are few among wealthy or competent people that are opposed to the federal minimum rate.

Bigotry. You're also just making schiff up here.

A great proportion of minimum rate opponents lack self-esteem. They need whatever affirmation of their own worth that they can derive

You can't project your own issues onto others. Inversion Fallacy.

by being able to look down upon people experiencing lesser financial conditions. They cannot acknowledge even to themselves their fears of improving the financial conditions of others would consequentially reduce their own social status.

Continued Inversion Fallacy from above.

That’s the essence of personal and political opposition to the FMW rate.

Respectfully, Supposn

No, the reason that the FMW (or ANY price control, for that matter) is opposed is because it creates shortages, as ALL price controls do.

 

[Truth Detector]

Minimum wage is an issue of character.

This pile of hooey is nonsense.

 

[CFM]

This pile of hooey is nonsense.

People with $2/hour skills demanding an increase above the already exorbitant $7.25/hour they get begging for more shows a lack of character on their part.

 

[Into the Night]

Minimum wage is an issue of character.

The essence of personal and political opposition to the FMW rate.

The federal minimum wage, (FMW) rate is of net social and economic benefit to our nation. It has never been among the major causes of the U.S. dollar’s inflation; on the contrary, it’s certainly among inflations’ victims.

No employees are poorer and no enterprises suffer any competitive disadvantage to any USA enterprises due to the FMW rate.

[there’s no doubt that USA’s higher wage rates are a cause of our products’ price disadvantages in comparison to products from lower-wage nations; but although the elimination of our FMW rate laws would be greatly detrimental to our nation’s net social and economic well-being, eliminating it would accomplish extremely little to remedy our products’ global price disadvantages.
[Refer to Wikipedia’s “Import Certificates” article.]

I suppose most USA’s population, (significantly more than a 10% plurality) to some extent approve of federal minimum rate’s existence. There are few among wealthy or competent people that are opposed to the federal minimum rate.

A great proportion of minimum rate opponents lack self-esteem. They need whatever affirmation of their own worth that they can derive by being able to look down upon people experiencing lesser financial conditions. They cannot acknowledge even to themselves their fears of improving the financial conditions of others would consequentially reduce their own social status. That’s the essence of personal and political opposition to the FMW rate.

Respectfully, Supposn

It is price controls. Price controls never work. Anyone trying to implement price controls has no character. They are fascists.

 

[Into the Night]

CFM, “Skill” and “character” are different attributes and are generally independent of each other.
“Begging” and earning a lower wage rate are different activities and those that do one of them do not necessarily do them both. That persons earning lower or earning the minimum wage rate must or do always beg, is a false conception of your own mind.
Respectfully, Supposn

Minimum wage affects those with little skill. It is price controls. It is fascism. Anyone trying to implement fascism has no character.

 

[CFM]

This pile of hooey is nonsense.

It is about character, in a way. Those that have such few skills to offer that the only wage they can make is the minimum begging for an increase shows a lack of character on their part. Not once have I heard any of those demanding it be increased say a thing about what they'll do in return for higher pay. In the real world, not the fake one where there wage is set by the government not what they offer, you actually prove you can do something before you get that increase.

 

[CFM]

Minimum wage affects those with little skill. It is price controls. It is fascism. Anyone trying to implement fascism has no character.

Minimum wage provides those with little/no skills a wage oftentimes higher than what they provide in return. Their answer for already getting more than they're worth is to beg for even more above what they're worth.

 

[Into the Night]

Minimum wage provides those with little/no skills a wage oftentimes higher than what they provide in return. Their answer for already getting more than they're worth is to beg for even more above what they're worth.

What they provide is not related to price controls. Price controls never work.

 

[Adolf_Twitler]

Manufacturers here dont pay min wage, just unskiller labor and the odd fast food job.
Its meaningless in global term but crushing in human term and small business.
Teenage unemployment soars when its raised and small businesses fold tents.
Its bad all around.

Fuck You!

If small business is not able to pay decent wages- THEY SHOULDN'T BE IN BUSINESS TO BEGIN WITH!- OR THEY SHOULD GET UP OFF THEIR ASS AND DO THE WORK THEMSELVES!

The nerve of you idiots!

 

[Saudade]

Cawacko, your post mention’s the “liberal way”, but I’m assuming you’re responding to my previous post which is the only other post on this thread.

Within a tread other than this one, advocate the gradual increasing and then retaining the value of the achieved significantly greater targeted minimum wage rate’s purchasing power.
A just plain politics member’s response was, “You're a proponent of raising the wages of those that have shown to have no skills and no desire to do any better. In other words, they offer nothing but beg for everything”. (I do not care to speculate regarding that member’s political affiliations).

Participants in discussions may thoughtlessly limit their remarks to only to only those employees earning precisely the federal minimum wage rate of $7.25 per hour, rather than to some lowest wage bracket or percentile of wage rates. Due to the practices of wage differentials, the minimum rate likely affects 40 percentiles of U.S. employees earning the lowest wage rates, to extents ranging from critical to substantial.

The member’s posted response describing “those that have shown to have no skills and no desire to do any better” demeaned the characters of approximately 40% of USA’s entire wage earners. I consider that at best as the member’s thoughtless and hyperbolic statement. If the member had fully thought through his words prior to posting them, then I consider the member’s character as questionable.
Respectfully, Supposn

At best, minimum wage is a local issue. The variance of cost of living throughout the country makes a federal minimum wage rather limited in utility.

When cities like San Francisco, NYC, and Seattle push for $15/hr minimum wages, that halfway makes sense due to the high cost of living in those areas. Forcing something like that on a small town in Arkansas would be economic suicide.

So, ultimately, states and cities are better equipped to declare minimum wages according to their own local cost of living.

However, if we look at the more expensive areas of the country, usually, the market itself already creates higher minimum wages without government intervention. Even low skill labor in San Francisco costs a lot more than it does in rural Alabama, and that's due to what labor demands, not government.

So, government intervention is largely irrelevant regarding the minimum wage.

 

[Celticguy]

Fuck You!

If small business is not able to pay decent wages- THEY SHOULDN'T BE IN BUSINESS TO BEGIN WITH!- OR THEY SHOULD GET UP OFF THEIR ASS AND DO THE WORK THEMSELVES!

The nerve of you idiots!

If the worker bee hasnt skills to merit better wages thats on them.
But read my pist b4 you shoot off your mouth.
Or get your mom to read it to you.

 

[Saudade]

Fuck You!

If small business is not able to pay decent wages- THEY SHOULDN'T BE IN BUSINESS TO BEGIN WITH!- OR THEY SHOULD GET UP OFF THEIR ASS AND DO THE WORK THEMSELVES!

The nerve of you idiots!

If you really want government to intervene on behalf of low wage workers, the best approach isn't to force higher minimum wages -- it's to hold employers of illegals accountable and to deport illegals.

You can raise the minimum wage all you want to, but as long as illegal labor is easy to acquire, wage depression will remain an issue. Also, the higher you make the minimum wage, the more incentive there is to hire illegals.

So, when liberal areas become sanctuary cities or sanctuary states, that hurts legal workers more than any lack of intervention on wages.