More 'Bush Cronies' in Obama Cabinet

Dixie said:
Nope, I don't listen to Rush, sorry. I feel vindicated. I said all through the campaign, if Obama was elected, our foreign policy with regard to Iraq wouldn't change. You guys laughed and chortled that it would change, that we would immediately withdraw from Iraq and end the war, and I told you it wouldn't happen, and it won't. I actually DID think Obama would pick a new Secretary of Defense, it's a bit of a shocker to me that he kept Bush's guy.
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He did, I read those posts.
 
"Face it Skippy, you got Bush 3 here! "

Oh, wow - sorry; I was crying I was laughing so hard.

No, Dixie - the age of idiocy is behind us. We finally have a real leader at the helm.
 
Onceler said:
"Face it Skippy, you got Bush 3 here! "

Oh, wow - sorry; I was crying I was laughing so hard.

No, Dixie - the age of idiocy is behind us. We finally have a real leader at the helm.
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Whatever you have to tell yourself, the proof is in the puddin', puddin' head!

Same Secretary of Defense...
Same policy in Iraq...
Same timetable for withdrawal...
Same plan for Afghanistan...
Same preconditions for Iran...
Same US foreign policy...

Nothing is changed except the President, and your perspective.
 
Your comedy is too good, Dix. Our foreign policy is going to look 180 degrees different under Obama; most people who followed the campaign closely knew there was a possibility he would keep Gates, who was actually at odds w/ Bush at times.

You're just doing your usual thing; I understand that you have to keep what's left of your sanity somehow. Just a few weeks back, Obama was a socialist whose mere presence would cause the markets to keep sinking (and oh, is that a big oops! for you), and who would surrender to our enemies.

Now, he's just like Bush! See, you pinheads...I won the election, after all! I got my boy in blue jeans back!
 
Onceler said:
Your comedy is too good, Dix. Our foreign policy is going to look 180 degrees different under Obama; most people who followed the campaign closely knew there was a possibility he would keep Gates, who was actually at odds w/ Bush at times.

You're just doing your usual thing; I understand that you have to keep what's left of your sanity somehow. Just a few weeks back, Obama was a socialist whose mere presence would cause the markets to keep sinking (and oh, is that a big oops! for you), and who would surrender to our enemies.

Now, he's just like Bush! See, you pinheads...I won the election, after all! I got my boy in blue jeans back!
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I'm just observing here, I don't think it's Dixie that has changed. For better or worse that...
 
Onceler said:
Your comedy is too good, Dix. Our foreign policy is going to look 180 degrees different under Obama; most people who followed the campaign closely knew there was a possibility he would keep Gates, who was actually at odds w/ Bush at times.

You're just doing your usual thing; I understand that you have to keep what's left of your sanity somehow. Just a few weeks back, Obama was a socialist whose mere presence would cause the markets to keep sinking (and oh, is that a big oops! for you), and who would surrender to our enemies.

Now, he's just like Bush! See, you pinheads...I won the election, after all! I got my boy in blue jeans back!
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LOL... it's going to be 180 degrees different because your perspective is different, not because US foreign policy is any different. And LMFAO... who the fuck wasn't "at odds" with Bush at times???

My sanity is just fine, thank you! Obama IS a socialist and an anti-capitalist. The markets have plunged over 3000 points since it became apparent he would win the white house, and the meager spurt it has enjoyed the past few days, is no indication of a 'trend' of any kind. Hell, the government has given away enough in bailouts to account for the uptick in the markets!

And I NEVER said Obama would "surrender to our enemies!" I challenge your lying ass to find that statement by me on this board or anywhere! I never said it! In fact, I told you Obama would not do anything much different than Bush in terms of our foreign policy, because the President really doesn't have as much 'control' as you seem to think. Much of what we are involved in, is controlled by other entities, like the UN, NATO, and Congress, and we can't just 'unilaterally' change direction at the whim of a president. We have agreements with other nations, things we have committed to and promised, some of them in return for other things we need, so we can't just pick up our marbles, say "fuck you", and go home! I told you this during the campaign, and you all insisted Obama was going to do all these drastic things to completely change Bush foreign policy! Now that it appears that won't be the case, you are twisting and spinning what I said, and trying to pretend that you were somehow right all along. It's absolutely delightful to watch!
 
"The markets have plunged over 3000 points since it became apparent he would win the white house, and the meager spurt it has enjoyed the past few days, is no indication of a 'trend' of any kind"

Denial. It ain't just a river in Egypt, baby.

The market's recent "meager spurt" of about 1,200 points began as Obama starting speaking out in public every day. There are certainly more aspects to the markets fortunes than that (I'm not as stupid as you), but there is no doubt that his remarks both Friday & today lead directly to market spikes due to increased confidence.

If your "theory" was right, and investors were just "leaving" because they were so scared of taxes and an Obama admin, the market would not be higher today than it was last week, or right after the election.

Surprise, surprise - you weren't right.
 
As far as foreign policy - 180 degrees. Obama sets the policy.

Watch what happens, then come back & spin why you weren't wrong...
 
Hey, I told you already, I never said the markets would drop all the way down to zero. As is always the case with the stock market, it goes up and down. It even had days of enormous growth DURING the great depression! The market will never start dropping and just continue to endlessly drop, but that appears to be what you want me to have said or predicted, and that is absurd.

We are a LONG way from being out of financial crisis, and if you think otherwise, you are an idiot. Now, that isn't anything the rest of us didn't already know, but maybe you aren't aware of what an idiot you are? In the last quarter, the markets took their largest nosedive since 1929... not a real good year! A few days of 'talk' by Obama, isn't going to change the dynamics of what is happening in the financial sector. Yes, there has been signs of life with regard to renewal of consumer confidence, but will this last? Retailers are already bracing for a disastrous Christmas season, and the Fed can't drop interest rates much lower, so what does the future hold? There is no plan to change the fundamentals of management for the Big 3, we just shoveled billions of tax payer dollars to them, and put a bandaid on the problem for the time being. At their current rate of burn-off, they will be in need of another bailout about the middle of next year. The question is, will they have to get in line behind all the other sectors who will also need some form of government assistance by then? You can have your liberal orgasms of pie in the sky economy all you like, the reality hasn't slapped you in your silly head yet. It's going to get worse... much worse... before it gets better.
 
Onceler said:
As far as foreign policy - 180 degrees. Obama sets the policy.

Watch what happens, then come back & spin why you weren't wrong...
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LOL... the man hasn't even taken office yet, and you've already 'spun' what I said into the opposite of what I said! I told you there would be no change in foreign policy, and you lamented there would be drastic change... now, you want to claim I said there would be drastic change, and since there appears to be no real change, I was wrong and you were right! So, first we will have to 'unspin' what you have 'spun' with regard to this, then we can have an objective evaluation of who was right and who was wrong.

The President does not totally control foreign policy, in fact, the president has very little control. He can sometimes set the general directions, but once we have embarked on something, it is very difficult for one man to come in and just willy-nilly change it! Our government is set up and designed that way for a reason, and Obama is no exception to the rule here. Anything he wants to do, will have to be approved by Congress, the UN, and NATO, and it really doesn't matter what he may personally want or you may personally want, that is the fact of the matter regarding US foreign policy... always has been, always will be.
 
Fear&Loathing said:
Quit avoiding my question Dixie?

"Are you happy, sad, or angry about Obama's appointment of Gates?"
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Scenario #3: I am indifferent. The only reason I mentioned it is because I heard "Change We Can Believe In" for months on end, and liberal pinhead chortles of how Obama was going to be so much vastly different than Bush on Iraq policy and foreign policy in general. Now, it appears that won't be the case, as he has decided to keep Bush's Pentagon boss in place, and appears to be ready to follow the Bush policy to conclusion in Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
Nice to see that Dixie and BAC are still on opposite ends of the same page. EVERYONE says Gates is not a policy maker he is a functionary. He will follow the orders of his President without hesitation.
 
Onceler said:
"The markets have plunged over 3000 points since it became apparent he would win the white house, and the meager spurt it has enjoyed the past few days, is no indication of a 'trend' of any kind"

Denial. It ain't just a river in Egypt, baby.

The market's recent "meager spurt" of about 1,200 points began as Obama starting speaking out in public every day. There are certainly more aspects to the markets fortunes than that (I'm not as stupid as you), but there is no doubt that his remarks both Friday & today lead directly to market spikes due to increased confidence.

If your "theory" was right, and investors were just "leaving" because they were so scared of taxes and an Obama admin, the market would not be higher today than it was last week, or right after the election.

Surprise, surprise - you weren't right.
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I was going to say as Obama has selected his economic team and spoken to the country about his plans for the economy the market has gone up. It has not gone up the full 3000 points but the market now has more confidence in what he will do as president. Beats the shit outta what the market did most times Shrub spoke about the economy.
 
Socrtease said:
Nice to see that Dixie and BAC are still on opposite ends of the same page. EVERYONE says Gates is not a policy maker he is a functionary. He will follow the orders of his President without hesitation.
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No shit? Really? I thought the Secretary of Defense would most likely tell the President to kiss his ass and he'd do what he damn well pleased! You mean, that's not the case, Sochead? Wow, if Gates actually follows the orders of his President, that would certainly be a first in American history! Now, THAT is change we can believe in! I mean, imagine that? A Secretary of Defense who actually follows the orders of his president without hesitation! I thought they all hesitated somewhat, and often balked at following orders! I guess I must have had that all wrong, huh?

The spin just keeps on coming! Amazing! I bet Obama could appoint Donald Rumsfeld to the cabinet, and you would all be saying... well, Rumy isn't a bad choice for that, he is a really smart man and Obama realizes his true potential unlike Bush... This is absolutely amazing to me! I should go dig up some of the comments you guys made about Gates when he was originally named by Bush to replace Rumy, but I don't see the point in going to that trouble, we all know what the fuck you had to say about him back then.
 
Socrtease said:
I was going to say as Obama has selected his economic team and spoken to the country about his plans for the economy the market has gone up. It has not gone up the full 3000 points but the market now has more confidence in what he will do as president. Beats the shit outta what the market did most times Shrub spoke about the economy.
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LOL... yeah, I am sure it has more to do with Obama speaking than the $800+ billion in government bailouts circulating into the economic sector! Maybe if Obama could speak everyday, we could eliminate the national debt?
 
I should go dig up some of the comments you guys made about Gates when he was originally named by Bush to replace Rumy, but I don't see the point in going to that trouble, we all know what the fuck you had to say about him back then.
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Ahh... what the hell, I am bored on Thanksgiving Eve... Here are the comments made on this board as news of Bush's appointment of Gates was announced:

Cypress: Does the Chimp even give a shit about competence, and bringing Iraq to a satisfactory conclusion? WTF is he hiring some washed out GOP hack from Poppy's adminstration. WFT isn't he asking Colin Powell to be SECDEF?

Prakosh: Gates is another secretive torturer put in charge of the torture chamber. What bullshit.. Business as Usual.


Maybe a little history of Mr. Gates will help resolve some of the confusion about his appointment.

"Bush says Rumsfeld Stepping Down, Recommends Robert Gates, former head of the CIA, for Sec. of Defense. "Gates was close to many figures who played significant roles in the Iran/contra affair and was in a position to have known of their activities." It's the same old song, just a different name"


Connecticut Stud: question for you...why did bush appoint the Texas A&M president?? why wouldn't you appoint a general to be the Sod??

WTF does the president of a college know about fighting wars and the military?


Jarod: It still requires comfirmation by the new Democratic Senate!

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LOLOLOL.... My how pinheads change....Change We Can Believe In!!
 
Socrtease said:
I was going to say as Obama has selected his economic team and spoken to the country about his plans for the economy the market has gone up. It has not gone up the full 3000 points but the market now has more confidence in what he will do as president. Beats the shit outta what the market did most times Shrub spoke about the economy.
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You are kidding, right? Gubmnt bailed out citi group, and hints at earmarks for some $7 T more to "free up credit". But it was Obama's pretty words and picking the same people who helped cause the crisis in the first place that the market responded to.

Silly me. I would have sworn bailing out citi group coincided with the recent market turn. And I was also thinking future performance will reflect Friday's shopping spree.

But I am happy to know that Big O just has to smile big and say some magic words.
 
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