more on 'clean' coal

Our electric bills will rise no matter.
Even if we do not "clean up" coal or even if we do not go to renewables our electric bills will rise.
 
They are coal industry propaganda.

Yes we need coal but they are fighting cleaner tech power plants big time.
We need more mercury in our air and water.
 
Don Quixote said:
about how wonderfully clean coal is as an energy source
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Well that's what they are trying to sell. What they are really trying to do is avoid implementing the MACT standards created under the 1990 Clean Air Act Ammendments signed into law under the first President Bush. Older coal power plants were grandfathered exceptions to these MACT standards so they could continue to operate while they invested in upgrading their pollution control equipment. Well guess what? They didn't update their equipment as they should have and now their exemption to the MACT for Mercury, Arsenic, Hexavalent Chromium, SOx & NOx's have expired and their not being granted new exemptions which means they now have to comply with the law.

Funny how the first President Bush signed these MACT standards into law but according to right wing Pundits and the Coal Industries lobbyist it's "Obama's war on coal.". What a load of shit.

If coal is so clean why are they spending multi-millions in lobbying and advertising dollars to keep their exemptions to comply with the MACT standards of the Clean Air Act?
 
Derp Derp said:
Well that's what they are trying to sell. What they are really trying to do is avoid implementing the MACT standards created under the 1990 Clean Air Act Ammendments signed into law under the first President Bush. Older coal power plants were grandfathered exceptions to these MACT standards so they could continue to operate while they invested in upgrading their pollution control equipment. Well guess what? They didn't update their equipment as they should have and now their exemption to the MACT for Mercury, Arsenic, Hexavalent Chromium, SOx & NOx's have expired and their not being granted new exemptions which means they now have to comply with the law.

Funny how the first President Bush signed these MACT standards into law but according to right wing Pundits and the Coal Industries lobbyist it's "Obama's war on coal.". What a load of shit.

If coal is so clean why are they spending multi-millions in lobbying and advertising dollars to keep their exemptions to comply with the MACT standards of the Clean Air Act?
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profits, i know that your question was really rhetorical, but i felt a need to state the obvious
 
Don Quixote said:
profits, i know that your question was really rhetorical, but i felt a need to state the obvious
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The problem is, is that what profits the coal industry does not profit society in general. The cost of upgrading these superannuated coal plants to meet the MACT standards would be around 5 to 6 billion dollars. However the health costs for the public who are affected by these coal plants non-compliant air plumes is around 30 billion annually. So yea it would cost more for consumers depending on these plants for electricity but that cost is a fraction of the cost currently being paid by those whose health are being impacted by the high levels of toxic air pollutants being generated by these superannuated coal burning plants. Particularly the elderly and the very young who are suseptible to respiratory disease due to exposure to these toxins.

So it would be far more accurate to call the coal industries refusal to comply with President Bush's MACT standards as the coal industries war on children.
 
Derp Derp said:
The problem is, is that what profits the coal industry does not profit society in general. The cost of upgrading these superannuated coal plants to meet the MACT standards would be around 5 to 6 billion dollars. However the health costs for the public who are affected by these coal plants non-compliant air plumes is around 30 billion annually. So yea it would cost more for consumers depending on these plants for electricity but that cost is a fraction of the cost currently being paid by those whose health are being impacted by the high levels of toxic air pollutants being generated by these superannuated coal burning plants. Particularly the elderly and the very young who are suseptible to respiratory disease due to exposure to these toxins.

So it would be far more accurate to call the coal industries refusal to comply with President Bush's MACT standards as the coal industries war on children.
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actually, war on everyone downwind of their smoke stacks - usually in other states so that the states that the plants reside in have little incentive to crack down on the non-upgraded plants

bummer
 
Don Quixote said:
actually, war on everyone downwind of their smoke stacks - usually in other states so that the states that the plants reside in have little incentive to crack down on the non-upgraded plants

bummer
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Well that's why these issues are regulated at the Federal level. My home state is one of the worst offenders and Ohio has been sued by a lot of other States due to the damage they have suffered from pollution emitted in our State.
 
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