More Troops to Afghan

domer76 said:
lol

More concocted "if/would" bullshit. In childspeak, no less.

Ignorant twatwattle.
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poor baby

dont worry the grown ups r in charge now

trump is doing what obummer wouldnt

sit back & watch

i guess u r praying 4 america 2 fail so u can slam trump

u want American soldiers 2 die so u can have dem talking points amirite?
 
domer76 said:
Of course things are always short on specifics by design for Trump. That's because he's massively ignorant of the issues.
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what do you want? battle plans?
Obama did that-announced a surge, and the next day went to National Defense University and announced a timeline for withdrawal :palm:
 
noise said:
idiot. not war is war. war is either effectively prosecuted or not.

Hillray voted for NATIONBUILDING and organized REGIME CHANGE in Iraq/Libya.

I would be OK with getting all the way out, but that would leave a vacuum ( as Trump said).
we really do not want to leave a terrorist state behind

This is the best way - small amount of troops in a support role to KILL TERRORISTS-
and trying much harder to get the regional players to step up
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Idiot. There is no need to engage in nation building in Afghanistan because the US is not at odds with the govt there.

Afghanistan and Iraq were two totally different situations as was Libya. Afghanistan is simply a country that terrorists use as a base of operations with the govt unable to do anything about it. Iraq and Libya are/were countries with dictatorial leaders who were causing trouble in the region.

I never agreed with invading Iraq, but comparing the country with Afghanistan vis-a-vis the kind of war strategy that was or should have been employed is disingenuous. Why would we want to topple an Afghani govt that wants basically the same thing we do... terrorists out of their country vs Iraq where the govt basically were terrorists?

You're the idiot here, idiot.
 
I condemn racists & Nazis said:
poor baby

dont worry the grown ups r in charge now

trump is doing what obummer wouldnt

sit back & watch

i guess u r praying 4 america 2 fail so u can slam trump

u want American soldiers 2 die so u can have dem talking points amirite?
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Anybody who substitutes words with single letters when they write has no room even talking about what grownups are doing.

Because you are not in that club.
 
No compelling case for homeland defense. No "last resort" reasoning.

People actually fight these things. You want your brother going? Your kid?
 
Thing1 said:
No compelling case for homeland defense. No "last resort" reasoning.

People actually fight these things. You want your brother going? Your kid?
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look at the text of speech, he used the term "core interests" ( US)
that's a world view of US interests-but based on America First security
 
I arrived at three fundamental conclusion about America’s core interests in Afghanistan....

. First, our nation must seek an honorable and enduring outcome worthy of the tremendous sacrifices that have been made, especially the sacrifices of lives. The men and women who serve our nation in combat deserve a plan for victory. They deserve the tools they need and the trust they have earned to fight and to win.

Second, the consequences of a rapid exit are both predictable and unacceptable.

A hasty withdrawal would create a vacuum for terrorists, including ISIS and Al Qaeda, would instantly fill just as happened before Sept. 11. And as we know, in 2011, America hastily and mistakenly withdrew from Iraq. As a result, our hard-won gains slipped back into the hands of terrorist enemies. Our soldiers watched as cities they had fought for and bled to liberate, and won, were occupied by a terrorist group called ISIS. The vacuum we created by leaving too soon gave safe haven for ISIS to spread, to grow, recruit and launch attacks. We cannot repeat in Afghanistan the mistake our leaders made in Iraq.

Third, and finally, I concluded that the security threats we face in Afghanistan and the broader region are immense. Today, 20 U.S.-designated foreign terrorist organizations are active in Afghanistan and Pakistan, the highest concentration in any region anywhere in the world.

For its part, Pakistan often gives safe haven to agents of chaos, violence and terror. The threat is worse because Pakistan and India are two nuclear-armed states
 
Thing1 said:
You realize that's meaningless, right?

Explain to me the immediate threat to our national security.
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in Afghanistan? Immediate goals:

Not to leave a terrorist state behind like we did in Iraq.
Not to create a terrorist state by regime change ( Libya)

Longer goals are regional security partnerships.
with either or both of Paki closing open border to Taliban and India buy into Afghan security.
 
noise said:
nope nope nope..Bush committed us to building a new Iraq -complete with our Green Zone type of forced government.
Trump specifically said no more of that. Afghanistan has to build it's own self

Your"opinion" regarding the ANAF is worthless. zip. nada. you have NO CLUE because you DO NOT RESEARCH
you'd rather pontificate your sanctimonious drivel..

The ANAF have taken YUGE casualties.They are not reliant on US forces fighting for them!
( we don't have 100k there now like Bush/Obama surge -we have less the 8k)
they are reliant on US air ( choppers/strikes) and embedded high skills- not US ground troops.

Weary Afghan Army Fights on as U.S. Weighs Troop Increase
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/a...an-army-fights-on-as-us-weighs-troop-increase

Despite assurances from foreign and Afghan officials about progress in improving leadership and tackling corruption, security forces have struggled to contain the insurgency and now control no more than 60 percent of the country.

Most of the issues the troops talk about - lack of reinforcements and equipment, endless tours of duty - are well known despite promises of improvement.

At the same time, security forces have suffered what the U.S. Congressional watchdog SIGAR described as "shockingly high" casualties. Official figures are patchy but at least 807 soldiers and police were killed in the first six weeks of the year after 6,785 in the first 10 months of 2016. Privately, many officials say the real numbers are even higher.

The heavy casualties have also contributed to the other persistent problem facing the army, maintaining the strength of the units doing the fighting. A third of the security forces' personnel does not re-enlist every year and the actual number of troops available for duty is far below official totals, leaving front-line troops increasingly stretched.
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You have bellowed month after month that a primary, even overriding consideration in voting for Trump, was that he was totally unlike Hillary Clinton, that he was going to withdraw from unwinnable NeoCon wars.

Now Trump does the exact opposite of the reasons you claimed to vote for him, and your reaction is? To dig in your heels, and worship the pussy grabbing orange clown even more.

You are a joke, man. Do you actually have any principles that don't change month to month in an effort to defend your Orange Hero?

I was always against the Iraq War. Always was, always will be. I did not have to move goal posts, revise previous statements, or do any mental gymnastics. Which is exactly what you are doing.

After years of calling for a U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan, President Trump tried late Monday to rally the country behind an open-ended commitment to plunging as many as 4,000 additional U.S. troops into what is now America’s longest war.

Trump acknowledged that Americans are “weary of war without victory” nearly 16 years after the conflict began. He promised that he shared their frustrations — even as he overrode them with imperatives he said he learned after taking office.

“My original instinct was to pull out. And historically, I like following my instincts,” Trump acknowledged in a rare prime-time speech near Arlington National Cemetery.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-vows-fight-afghanistan-offering-new-details-025336264.html
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As long as people refuse to learn from the past & actually think in the present, politicians will be able to get away w/ sending brave young men & women off to war.
 
Thing1 said:
As long as people refuse to learn from the past & actually think in the present, politicians will be able to get away w/ sending brave young men & women off to war.
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im not convinced libs actually give a fuck about brave young men & women in war mr virtue signaler

loathing the military runs thru the left like shit thru a sewer
 
Cypress said:
You have bellowed month after month that a primary, even overriding consideration in voting for Trump, was that he was totally unlike Hillary Clinton, that he was going to withdraw from unwinnable NeoCon wars.

Trump does the exact opposite of the reasons you claimed to vote for him, and your reaction is? To dig in your heels, and worship the pussy grabbing orange clown even more.

You are a joke, man. Do you actually have any principles that don't change month to month in an effort to defend your Orange Hero?

I was always against the Iraq War. Always was, always will be. I did not have to move goal posts, revise previous statements, or do any mental gymnastics. Which is exactly what you are doing.
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not "withdrawal" Nimrod. I said "intervention" a zillion times
There is a huge canyon like difference from starting an intervention war to dealing with one thrust into your lap.

Try This:
instead of bird dogging me with trivial quibbles - tell us what was WRONG with Trump's speech and what you'd CHANGE.
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I already told you it's the best policy speech i've ever heard on AfPak, It's what we should have done from the beginning. in and out. hit and run. Whack a Mole
But we also created the ANAF -we can't just leave them when they are really fighting to the death for their government/country.
 
noise said:
what do you want? battle plans?
Obama did that-announced a surge, and the next day went to National Defense University and announced a timeline for withdrawal :palm:
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Orangetweet couldn't even get it right that Afghanistan doesn't have a Prime Minister.

Here's a hint, lemmingtard. Obama isn't President now and this is Drumpf's war now. Another unfulfilled campaign promise that proves that you morons got conned.
 
noise said:
in Afghanistan? Immediate goals:

Not to leave a terrorist state behind like we did in Iraq.
Not to create a terrorist state by regime change ( Libya)

Longer goals are regional security partnerships.
with either or both of Paki closing open border to Taliban and India buy into Afghan security.
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He isn't going to shit about Pakistan. He needs them for supply routes to Afghanistan.
 
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