More Troops to Afghan

noise said:
here is what I heard:

http://time.com/4910284/donald-trump-afghanistan-policy-speech/
in a prime-time address to unveil his new Afghanistan strategy,
Trump said the U.S. would shift away from a "time-based" approach, instead linking its assistance to results and to cooperation from the beleaguered Afghan government, Pakistan and others.
He insisted it would be a "regional" strategy that addressed the role played by other South Asian nations — especially Pakistan and its tolerance of the Taliban.

"America will work with the Afghan government as long as we see determination and progress," Trump said. "However, our commitment is not unlimited, and our support is not a blank check."
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And what the terrorists heard in the context of the rest of the speech which you didn't post: "We will only stay there for so long before we leave, so just wait us out and eventually you'll have the run of the place".
 
Darth Omar said:
Really good speech.

Laid out a comprehensive plan, including Pakistan and India. No time lines. No nation building. Conditions based withdrawal. And I like the idea of a coalition government including the Taliban.

Gives them a reason to quit the fight in favor of a political solution in Afghanistan.
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i really hated timelines. Its like all the terrorists have to do is sit tight until that date.
 
Thing1 said:
No leader deserves the benefit of the doubt on using our military. No leader has used our military in a just and reasoned way in many decades. If there is one thing that we as citizens should not trust in our leaders, it is when they commit our forces and put our brave soldiers in harm's way.

The track record is poor. And we have no reason to believe Trump will be better. In fact, we have many reasons to think he will be worse.
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Do you ever listen to yourself?

No Commander in Chief has the benefit of doubt with regard to the military? I thought he was CIC?

That said, your moralizing on this issue has gaping holes in it, as I pointed out in my last response. If you think people won't suffer if we abandon Afghanistan, you are delusional. It will work exactly as well as it did in Iraq.

Trump was left with no easy choice on this. And since he is going try novel things, he deserves a shot at it. And if it doesn't work, he can pull out at his, unannounced, discretion.

Since he is, CIC, after all.
 
tsuke said:
i really hated timelines. Its like all the terrorists have to do is sit tight until that date.
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Bogus talking point. Either terrorists and militants take over the country after America leaves or they don't. In Afghanistan's case, they will -- regardless of the timeline.
 
It's just really comforting to know we now have a President that gets it.

Military options is and should not be a political decision, end of discussion.
You fight, you fight until you win or are defeated...America wins.
No time table when there is no game clock, that's just amateur.
Presidency is no place for amateurs
 
Thing1 said:
Mosul worked - that was the 1st one Trump said we should have had a "surprise attack" with.

So silly. Please don't vote.
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So what were the military details of the Mosul action that General Obama revealed to the enemy? Troop strengths? Timeline of troop movements? withdrawal deadlines? How did it help our troops?
 
noise said:
you are conflating prison guards abuse to war strategy?
it's a ridiculous stretch
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lol

I'm referring to autonomy, you fucking moron.

Strategy? What strategy does Orangetweet have? He'll have to watch Fox to figure out what's going on.
 
tsuke said:
i really hated timelines. Its like all the terrorists have to do is sit tight until that date.
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They won't have that luxury now.

And they will be hit hard, because Trump is going to relax the rules of engagement and allow his field commanders to make real time decisions on the battle field. Nobody wants this, including Trump.

But if we're going to do it, do it right.
 
Darth Omar said:
They won't have that luxury now.

And they will be hit hard, because Trump is going to relax the rules of engagement and allow his field commanders to make real time decisions on the battle field. Nobody wants this, including Trump.

But if we're going to do it, do it right.
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i think thats all you need really. Just relax the rules kill everyone you can and leave. If they act up again go in again and kill them. Eventually they realize that if they want to hit western targets they can hit france and germany and other countries not willing to fight back but not the US.
 
Amadeus said:
Bogus talking point. Either terrorists and militants take over the country after America leaves or they don't. In Afghanistan's case, they will -- regardless of the timeline.
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The opinion of a white Canadian that hates America, and didn't listen to the speech, is irrelevant.
 
Darth Omar said:
Do you ever listen to yourself?

No Commander in Chief has the benefit of doubt with regard to the military? I thought he was CIC?

That said, your moralizing on this issue has gaping holes in it, as I pointed out in my last response. If you think people won't suffer if we abandon Afghanistan, you are delusional. It will work exactly as well as it did in Iraq.

Trump was left with no easy choice on this. And since he is going try novel things, he deserves a shot at it. And if it doesn't work, he can pull out at his, unannounced, discretion.

Since he is, CIC, after all.
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You're content being a sheep. I am not.

It's our job to question everything that our leaders do. Not to listen to a speech from a guy who has lied about everything and just say, "sounds good to me!"
 
Getin the ring said:
It's just really comforting to know we now have a President that gets it.

Military options is and should not be a political decision, end of discussion.
You fight, you fight until you win or are defeated...America wins.
No time table when there is no game clock, that's just amateur.
Presidency is no place for amateurs
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You mean for guys who say things like "healthcare is more complicated than we thought!"

A real pro there.
 
Nomad said:
You are full of shit.

War is war.

Escalation is escalation.

Spin is spin.

Thousands more Americans will be killed and maimed.

You pilloried Hillary for being a war monger simply because she cast a vote to authorize use of force in Iraq. You fawned over Trump because he promised to get us out of Afstan. Now he's going back on his word and doing the opposite of what he said during the campaign and you're still lapping up his shit.
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Post of the year award.

Field Marshall Anatta is way too excited.
 
Amadeus said:
Bogus talking point. Either terrorists and militants take over the country after America leaves or they don't. In Afghanistan's case, they will -- regardless of the timeline.
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you don't know that.
The Northern alliance had a good shot at governing. at one time they threw the Taliban out of Kabul,
They lost control because we did not fully back them-putting in Karzai instead
 
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noise said:
nope nope nope..Bush committed us to building a new Iraq -complete with our Green Zone type of forced government.
Trump specifically said no more of that. Afghanistan has to build it's own self

Your"opinion" regarding the ANAF is worthless. zip. nada. you have NO CLUE because you DO NOT RESEARCH
you'd rather pontificate your sanctimonious drivel..

The ANAF have taken YUGE casualties.They are not reliant on US forces fighting for them!
( we don't have 100k there now like Bush/Obama surge -we have less the 8k)
they are reliant on US air ( choppers/strikes) and embedded high skills- not US ground troops.

Weary Afghan Army Fights on as U.S. Weighs Troop Increase
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/a...an-army-fights-on-as-us-weighs-troop-increase

Despite assurances from foreign and Afghan officials about progress in improving leadership and tackling corruption, security forces have struggled to contain the insurgency and now control no more than 60 percent of the country.

Most of the issues the troops talk about - lack of reinforcements and equipment, endless tours of duty - are well known despite promises of improvement.

At the same time, security forces have suffered what the U.S. Congressional watchdog SIGAR described as "shockingly high" casualties. Official figures are patchy but at least 807 soldiers and police were killed in the first six weeks of the year after 6,785 in the first 10 months of 2016. Privately, many officials say the real numbers are even higher.

The heavy casualties have also contributed to the other persistent problem facing the army, maintaining the strength of the units doing the fighting. A third of the security forces' personnel does not re-enlist every year and the actual number of troops available for duty is far below official totals, leaving front-line troops increasingly stretched.
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Shut the fuck up you warmonger shitstain shil for the Military Industrial Complex.

You ignorant fuck.

Nothing can be accomplished by the US in Afghanistan you flailing retard except further bankruptcy and loss of lives and limbs.

Last month you wete whining like a bitch over the debt.

Who the fuck do you think is paying for this you dumb cuck?

Fuck off and die, cuck fucker.
 
Thing1 said:
Noise is anatta?

Wow - the hypocrisy is almost incomprehensible.
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Yup, it is sickening.
Literally putrid

Years of pounding Hillary and here he cheers this endless war...with a country which can never be conquered...the actual cause of the bankruptcy and dissolution of the USSR.

What a loser
 
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