If we throw away our standards of freedom to protect you from offense, then those who wish to destroy us have won.
Mosque being built at Ground zero
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Sammy Jankis
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That sounds nice, but it's bullshit. Not having a mosque in this ONE AREA hardly changes the entire nation. They will feel victorious when a mosque goes up where the world trade center was. Take your masonic sellout bullshit and shove it.
The 14th Amendment makes it so that the 1st Amendment applies to all levels of government. I refuse to reject the Constitution to make AHZ feel better. The government is not the tool to use to make this Mosque go away.
Now the 1st also applies to groups that may want to gather, to protest, and to make known that this is unacceptable. But it does not allow the government to start making laws making any religion illegal in any area of the nation, ever.
This is about what makes us what we are, the Constitution. Instead of throwing it away to make AHZ feel better, I say we follow what it says, and stop letting these people effect our freedoms.
However it is also the freedoms of those who take offense to do all they can to prevent it...happens all the time and sometimes works.
Yes I mentioned that, the 1st Amendment also allows you to gather and protest, which can be an effective means to show that Mosques will not be accepted there regardless of the fact that they are "legal"...
The better way is to use our freedoms to speak out, but not to ask the government to go against their constitutional limitations in order to make this illegal. Shall make no law really does mean "no law"...
Sammy Jankis
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Just a perusal of the hadiths and koran would indicate that they do in fact incite violence against non-islamic governments, aka terrorism. I believe permits could be denied to terrorist organizations such as the islamic religion.
But of course, you still subscribe to the "moderate islam" canard. So while you can read the constitution good, your pc treachery does not allow you to read the koran/hadiths honestly. Your brainwashed state makes your opinion unworthy of merit.
They could, if we didn't recognize it as a religion. Now, if you can prove that this Mosque specifically is radicalized then you'd have some valid argument, but my bet is that a Mosque dedicated against terrorism isn't likely to fall there.
While I understand that you want to make Islam itself illegal in the US, I do not believe you will ever get popular support for that any more than we could make Christianity illegal in the US because of all the violence from their past and those radical Christians that would kill to end an abortion provider's life.
Actually the government has to get involved at some point as they are who enforce actions against such a thing as a Mosque being built in a community via permits being granted or denied. The decisions of community based rationales for denials happen all the time.
Sammy Jankis
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Now you're make the argument to popularity. the rule of law suggest organization which openly teach violent revolution should not be given permits.
Outlawing all the abrahamic faiths would be a great idea, in my opinion. They are all quite criminal, sick, and racist.
And islam should be reclassified as a terrorist organization. I can prove the religion of islam is radical. That should qualify in your idiot mind.
Sammy Jankis
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Damo loves him some noahide theocracy, and he will pervert all notions to achieve it.
Now, if the zoning regulations didn't allow it, and it was applied equally across the board, it wouldn't be a violation. However to just not allow "this" religion there, that is a violation. Violating our own standards to protect our citizens from offense is a direct victory for those who you want to "attack"...
I don't. I specifically point out that it is against the constitution to make any religion illegal, including ones that AHZ doesn't like. To make laws specifically against one religion is flatly against the freedoms we use to mark the differences between our societies. If we allow those freedoms to fall, then we are not the victors.
Damo loves to apply the constitution, even when it is a religion that AHZ doesn't like.
Denying a permit due to it being "this" religion would be a violation of the constitution. We cannot allow our laws, and those limitations we place on government, to be perverted because of terrorism or our enemies win.
Sammy Jankis
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you said that once. It was bullshit then. It's bullshit now.
It's fairly arbitrary what gets considered a "religion". What if i said i had a religion where all people not descended from me were all subhuman and should be my slaves. Could i get tax exempt status? Why is that idea valid just because it's thousands of year old? Really think about that, mmmmkay, idiotmason?
you have no integrity left.
Sammy Jankis
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I guess as long as I qualify my bigotry with "god said" that makes it a laudable faith.
Actually it is not unconstitutional to look at impacts and problems that may arrise do to the controversial location of the center. In addition there had already been a previous application to preserve the original buildng on the site for historical preservation reasons. Building officials and city planners look at these kinds of impacts and deny permits ALL the time. What we have is politcial activism on the part of the City Council who wish to appear diverse and accepting. That is NOT their job.
No, you simply do not want the US to have any integrity. I understand, you fear so much that you are willing to give up any freedom for a sense of security.
I think you are weak-minded and full of fear, that you fall for almost any conspiracy theory because of this, and you are pretty much a loss to our society. You used to be an intelligent and thoughtful person who revered the freedoms that created the unique society that built the greatest nation on Earth. Now, you hide and are willing to sell those freedoms for a tiny bit of security.
Either we stand for the Constitution that made the nation, or we should toss it, there's no reason to list limitations on the government if we do not demand they follow them.
It is unconstitutional if it is based simply on the form of religion. "Shall make no law" really does mean no law, even when it is done to make you feel better.
Sammy Jankis
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blah blah blah. You're so full of shit your eyes are brown.
Islamic terrorists get off on stupidity like yours.