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here is why the right cant win


the Left DEMANDS positions based on FACTS


unlike the republican party who bases everything on how to get the wealthy what they want
 
I do not know of any lefties on this forum who are willing to let ME shape their perception of the political landscape, and I am not willing to have any lefties shape mine. We are all free to form our own opinions, which we do, and this is why our most trusted media sources are the most dangerous. None of us want to have our perception of the political landscape engineered by the media, we want to form our own independent perception. When we begin to trust ANY media source, we begin surrendering our independent thought to them as well. We shouldn't agree with the media just because their political stance is aligned with our own, but we should definitely hear what they have to say and compare it to what the opposition has to say. Our opposition media sources will be presenting the political landscape differently than the sources we are aligned with do, so we need to hear what the opposition has to say from their point of view if we are to maintain independent thought.

you are welcome to your own opinions



you are not welcome to your own facts
 
the right denies science


and math


and history


and encyclopedias



and dictionaries



so to be right leaning is to be fact adverse in these times
 
When we went into Iraq, I got 3 blogs written by people who were in Iraq. I got their side. I read their daily problems and concerns. I followed one of them for over 2 years.
 
I cannot stop you from seeking out news that satisfies your confirmation bias, and then trusting it. I strongly recommend consuming ALL of it, and trusting NONE of it.

Sorry dumb fuck, but you are once again supporting the idea that the media is the "enemy of the people" I actually subscribe to about a dozen different news sources from Time, The Nation, Mother Jones, National Review, Saturday Evening Post, The Atlantic, The Week, Readers Digest, Forbes, Smithsonian, and more. Not all are political, like Birds and Blooms though.
 
Sorry dumb fuck, but you are once again supporting the idea that the media is the "enemy of the people" I actually subscribe to about a dozen different news sources from Time, The Nation, Mother Jones, National Review, Saturday Evening Post, The Atlantic, The Week, Readers Digest, Forbes, Smithsonian, and more. Not all are political, like Birds and Blooms though.

The notion that the media is an altruistic industry that is here to be your friend and to inform you of what is going on in the world sounds pretty romantic, but it is actually bullshit. The media industry is a business that can be your friend or enemy, depending on how you use it.

That's right, "use it". When we view or listen to news programs, we become part of a statistic that they use to market advertising. The more viewers, listeners, or clicks a company has, the more they can charge companies for advertising. The media is not here to be our friends, they are here to make money off of us. We give them the audience statistics, and they give us information. We "use" them, and they "use" us. We have no obligation to remain loyal to any media, and it becomes dangerous if we do become loyal. Media companies know that many folks will become loyal, and they WILL exploit this kind of stupidity.

There is no need to think of the media as anybody's enemy, but there is certainly no reason to think of them as a friend. They are just there, and we use each other. If you are stupid enough to trust them and become loyal to them, this is when they become your enemy. Just get information from them, but make sure to vet it before you believe a word of it.
 
When we went into Iraq, I got 3 blogs written by people who were in Iraq. I got their side. I read their daily problems and concerns. I followed one of them for over 2 years.

I was pretty amazed myself, during Desert Shield and Desert Storm, to see things from the perspective of being there in the sandbox. I was too young to have knowledge of politics and religion, so my perception of the people in those countries was not influenced by preconceived notions. I have a negative perception of the people, religion, and culture in those countries that is based upon my experience in them, but agree with you that the experience of one person is not as valuable in forming an opinion from many blogs or interviews of many. Not everybody was exposed to hostile fire, and those who were not may have more positive memories.
 
Sorry dumb fuck, blah, blah, blah...

I have made an effort to run this thread from a non partisan position, since the information that I am sharing is important to and applies to BOTH sides. Yes, I hate lefties, and lefties hate me, but if you look back through this thread, you will see that I am not making any effort to fuck with lefties. You are certainly welcome to bring the partisan hate to this thread, but there are plenty of better threads where we can bicker and fight.
 
I have made an effort to run this thread from a non partisan position, since the information that I am sharing is important to and applies to BOTH sides. Yes, I hate lefties, and lefties hate me, but if you look back through this thread, you will see that I am not making any effort to fuck with lefties. You are certainly welcome to bring the partisan hate to this thread, but there are plenty of better threads where we can bicker and fight.

I don't hate you. I feel sorry for you.
 
The notion that the media is an altruistic industry that is here to be your friend and to inform you of what is going on in the world sounds pretty romantic, but it is actually bullshit. The media industry is a business that can be your friend or enemy, depending on how you use it.

That's right, "use it". When we view or listen to news programs, we become part of a statistic that they use to market advertising. The more viewers, listeners, or clicks a company has, the more they can charge companies for advertising. The media is not here to be our friends, they are here to make money off of us. We give them the audience statistics, and they give us information. We "use" them, and they "use" us. We have no obligation to remain loyal to any media, and it becomes dangerous if we do become loyal. Media companies know that many folks will become loyal, and they WILL exploit this kind of stupidity.

There is no need to think of the media as anybody's enemy, but there is certainly no reason to think of them as a friend. They are just there, and we use each other. If you are stupid enough to trust them and become loyal to them, this is when they become your enemy. Just get information from them, but make sure to vet it before you believe a word of it.

Now you are delving off into your fantasy world again following the world Trump has created trying to sound philosophical yet sounding like a fool. If the media is neutral, neither friend nor foe, then you have nothing to fear. Knowledge is acquired by listening to all sources, and then creating the truth that most satisfies the curious mind. It is not available to the closed mind, or to a rigid dogma. Then too, if it is too open then truth just slips through never being grasped. That is the point at which you have arrived.
 
try doing to from the side of FACTS

you will end up being correct more often

Facts make us feel more confident in the news and propaganda that we take in, but we need to remember that facts can be taken out of their full and proper context to create whatever narrative the media source wants to push. If we do not understand that true facts can be used to create a false narrative, the media can exploit our ignorance. We must also be aware that a history of presenting lots of true facts does not mean that all information presented is indeed factual. It is a bad idea to trust that what is presented as fact really is fact.
 
Typically the NYT and PBS are the best. Foreign Affairs is very good too. The New Yorker and Rolling Stone have good articles on economics and policy. I read the ACLU blog and Ralph Nader too.Just compare them to Tea Party or right-wing sites to see the difference,

You basically listed left wing sites. You're correct, right wing sites will (most likely) be different. Now just because a site comes from the left or right doesn't automatically make it wrong or incorrect but it comes from a different perspective.
 
I cannot stop you from seeking out news that satisfies your confirmation bias, and then trusting it. I strongly recommend consuming ALL of it, and trusting NONE of it.

Why would someone trust nothing? I guess if that's a good idea if you are living in some alternate reality. For example, take the word conservative in politics. There can be debate over its exact meaning but there's a general framework people fall into who are considered conservative. Yet in your world you and Trump are the only two people who are deemed worthy of the label. Everyone else is a liberal, communist or RINO.

So trust nothing and then just create what you want like you do? No thanks dude.
 
You basically listed left wing sites. You're correct, right wing sites will (most likely) be different. Now just because a site comes from the left or right doesn't automatically make it wrong or incorrect but it comes from a different perspective.

When I describe the benefits of taking in a broad range of media from all political perspectives, both lefties and righties understand what I am talking about. Where it gets complicated, is that not everybody sees the same path of getting this information. Many will be confident that they can rely on having sources that are aligned with their own ideology interpret or report on what the other side is up to. People like this are valuable assets to media companies, since their opinions can be shaped. That's what advertisers pay for. In reality, the only way to get that broad range of information is to actually visit the opposing media sites and programs.
 
Why would someone trust nothing? I guess if that's a good idea if you are living in some alternate reality. For example, take the word conservative in politics. There can be debate over its exact meaning but there's a general framework people fall into who are considered conservative. Yet in your world you and Trump are the only two people who are deemed worthy of the label. Everyone else is a liberal, communist or RINO.

So trust nothing and then just create what you want like you do? No thanks dude.

That's right, do not trust ANY media source. It does not matter if you are a lefty, righty, or a rino like you, the media is not here as an altruistic news reporting service that is here to better our country. They are a business, and they are in the business off marketing. They do not have your best interest in mind, they have viewer statistics in mind. They get paid to make you believe in products and information, and they will not hesitate to exploit trusting viewers.

You can trust whatever media you want to, I cannot stop you. If you want to form your own perception of the political landscape, do not trust ANY media source. Squeeze whatever info you can out of each source, and then verify it somewhere else. No media source can offer you independent thought.
 
some media does believe in the importance of a free press


You can do that and be a business


if you don't believe that then you don't believe in democracy and capitalism
 
some media does believe in the importance of a free press


You can do that and be a business


if you don't believe that then you don't believe in democracy and capitalism

Media companies have viewer bases. You are just a tiny part of those statistics. You are just a statistic to them, so you owe them nothing. Enjoy forming your OWN independent perception of the political landscape, fuck the media, both your side and mine.
 
fuck you


you trying to destroy the decent media because your right wing media is a fucking lying trash heap wont work
 
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