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Althea said:
Because Republicans

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...it-easier-mentally-ill-get-guns-when-n1039301


There is no fix, nor will there ever be. This is another wedge issue like immigration.
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Republicans, indeed, are part of the problem but the Democrats are part of the problem too because of their focus as you pointed out. The Demoratic solution to gang-bangers and nujobs are gun banning.

IMO, that's as stupid as solving the illegal immigration problem with a fucking wall.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Republicans, indeed, are part of the problem but the Democrats are part of the problem too because of their focus as you pointed out. The Demoratic solution to gang-bangers and nujobs are gun banning.

IMO, that's as stupid as solving the illegal immigration problem with a fucking wall.
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We can agree that the NRA et al is the problem, as they fund the stalemate.

Both sides tend to go too far one way or the other, leaving room for compromise. But there is no compromise in Congress anymore.

However, Republicans won't even take the first step toward universal background checks. 'Slippery Slope' is long past its sell by date.
 
Earl said:
It’s one unhappy society now, Marty.

In Biden’s America, where crime is out of control in large American cities controlled by Democrats, one best be armed.
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Don't mistake your own unhappy life for more than it is, Earl.
 
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Althea said:
We can agree that the NRA et al is the problem, as they fund the stalemate.

Both sides tend to go too far one way or the other, leaving room for compromise. But there is no compromise in Congress anymore.

However, Republicans won't even take the first step toward universal background checks. 'Slippery Slope' is long past its sell by date.
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The NRA used to be apolitical until Slick Willy made gun banning a priority of the Democratic agenda. While I don't support the hate rhetoric, much less their infiltration by Russian agents and financial corruption, I do understand their change was a reaction to Democratic gun control.

As your post and Democrats on television are pushing post-Buffalo attack; the focus is on banning guns, not on better mental health care to identify problems before they become a problem.

Agreed on a nation divided. Another reason why I stopped voting for the lesser of two evils and just started voting Third Party as a protest.
 
Damocles said:
Someone did, he was wearing body armor. The security guy was ex Buffalo PD and shot him 3 times, unfortunately his body armor was effective.
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Most people are trained to shoot center of mass, but body armor on terrorists has been a problem for awhile.

There was also the problem of limited range of a handgun which means someone would have to be closer for accurate hits compared to a rifle. Although there was cover in the store, there wouldn't be much of it. No doubt Mr. Salter stepped forward to take down the criminal but the body armor gave the WSE time to line up on Mr. Salter.

https://buffalonews.com/news/local/...cle_10cc68de-d496-11ec-8415-278f8477f30c.html
Colleagues unsurprised that retired police officer Aaron Salter gave his life protecting others at Tops Market
 
Dutch Uncle said:
The NRA used to be apolitical until Slick Willy made gun banning a priority of the Democratic agenda. While I don't support the hate rhetoric, much less their infiltration by Russian agents and financial corruption, I do understand their change was a reaction to Democratic gun control.

As your post and Democrats on television are pushing post-Buffalo attack; the focus is on banning guns, not on better mental health care to identify problems before they become a problem.

Agreed on a nation divided. Another reason why I stopped voting for the lesser of two evils and just started voting Third Party as a protest.
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bullshit. you're a dem toady. stop fucking lying.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
The NRA used to be apolitical until Slick Willy made gun banning a priority of the Democratic agenda. While I don't support the hate rhetoric, much less their infiltration by Russian agents and financial corruption, I do understand their change was a reaction to Democratic gun control.

As your post and Democrats on television are pushing post-Buffalo attack; the focus is on banning guns, not on better mental health care to identify problems before they become a problem.

Agreed on a nation divided. Another reason why I stopped voting for the lesser of two evils and just started voting Third Party as a protest.
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A Nazi doesn't need mental health help. He needs to stop watching Fox news.

If you can highlight anything in my post that suggests banning guns, that would be helpful.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Most people are trained to shoot center of mass, but body armor on terrorists has been a problem for awhile.
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I am far from an expert on this, but from what I am reading you are getting to the failure of shooting someone with body armor. If you shoot for the center of mass, that is the protected area, but other body parts are not covered.
 
Walt said:
I am far from an expert on this, but from what I am reading you are getting to the failure of shooting someone with body armor. If you shoot for the center of mass, that is the protected area, but other body parts are not covered.
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Correct. Shooting for the center of mass is the commonly trained target area since, if the shooter misses a little left, right, up or down, they will still hit something. This is why the Hollywood fable telling of "shoot the gun out of their hand" is stupid. Anyone who has fired a pistol at 25 yards quickly learns why.

My guess is that Officer Salter was less than 15 yards from the WSE, quickly fired off three accurate shots before being murdered. My advice is two shots to center of mass then automatically aim for the groin area (larger than the head/shoulders area) and fire two rounds there. This tactic can be practiced at the range. Obviously if body armor is suspected, go for the groin area first. Once the WSE is down, it's easier to go for the head/shoulders. Best to keep shooting until they stop moving.

If nothing else, hitting meat will distract the WSE from murdering others and, even if they run away, cause them to bleed out. Civilians aren't required to abide by the Geneva Convention, so hollow points, soft points, jacketed hollow points, etc are legal to use and highly recommended. The bad news about such ammo is that it's great for wounding/killing, but not for penetrating windshields, light body armor, walls, etc.
 
Althea said:
Ironic that Bush Sr, Reagan, and a number of Republicans approved of the assault weapons ban.
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Meh. All Authoritarians are assholes. Fuck them. Banning books, food, drugs, guns, etc as a "Path to Freedom" makes a much sense as Bombing for Peace and Fucking for Virginity.
 
Althea said:
A Nazi doesn't need mental health help. He needs to stop watching Fox news.

If you can highlight anything in my post that suggests banning guns, that would be helpful.
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Do you support Clinton's, and later Obama's, gun control bills? Yes or no, please.

If yes, then you support gun bans.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Meh. All Authoritarians are assholes. Fuck them. Banning books, food, drugs, guns, etc as a "Path to Freedom" makes a much sense as Bombing for Peace and Fucking for Virginity.
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There is absolutely no reason for what people call 'assault type' weapons to be in public. Wanna play with them at the range? I'm sure that can be worked out.

I believe the language in the original assault weapon ban spoke to any rifle that isn't used for hunting.

I'm fascinated that people are getting murdered en masse. It's exactly the society we want. I'm not sure why everyone complains? What other use do these weapons have other than mass killing?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Do you support Clinton's, and later Obama's, gun control bills? Yes or no, please.

If yes, then you support gun bans.
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Sorry. That nonsense works when you go after the assholes here for days on end.

You stated that my posts support a ban on guns.

We'll all wait while you scour the internet for one.
 
Althea said:
There is absolutely no reason for what people call 'assault type' weapons to be in public. Wanna play with them at the range? I'm sure that can be worked out.

I believe the language in the original assault weapon ban spoke to any rifle that isn't used for hunting.

I'm fascinated that people are getting murdered en masse. It's exactly the society we want. I'm not sure why everyone complains? What other use do these weapons have other than mass killing?
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Brandishing is against the law. Do you really want to set someone up who bought a rifle and is busted carrying it to their car?

I use my SKS and AK-47 for hunting. You can be sure the magazines are 2/3s full on the AK. LOL
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Brandishing is against the law. Do you really want to set someone up who bought a rifle and is busted carrying it to their car?

I use my SKS and AK-47 for hunting. You can be sure the magazines are 2/3s full on the AK. LOL
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Laws must be evenly applied to be just. If they are unjust then I am under no obligation to follow them.

Something the WOKE might have learned.

Never did.
 
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