Murder Somebody? Hey, it was God's Plan!

Liberty said:
Which god?
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The one that sends his armies into villages to destroy everything in sight .. except the virgins .. which he gives to his armies to rape.

He also commanded that a portion of the captured virgins be given to him .. proof that God has a dick.

That God.
 
blackascoal said:
The one that sends his armies into villages to destroy everything in sight .. except the virgins .. which he gives to his armies to rape.

He also commanded that a portion of the captured virgins be given to him .. proof that God has a dick.

That God.
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Socialism abhors the existence of God, it sucks totalitarian control away from the almighty government. I will pray for you.
 
j-mac said:
Socialism abhors the existence of God, it sucks totalitarian control away from the almighty government. I will pray for you.
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You should save your prayers for those who need them .. specifically those who believe in the supernatural. They are in need of serious intervention.

And, yes, socialists, like the most of the FOUNDERS, don't believe in the supernatural.
 
blackascoal said:
The one that sends his armies into villages to destroy everything in sight .. except the virgins .. which he gives to his armies to rape.

He also commanded that a portion of the captured virgins be given to him .. proof that God has a dick.

That God.
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So I guess that rules out the Jewish God.

He said to go into the promised land and kill everything. I'm sure even the virgins would be included in that order.
 
blackascoal said:
You should save your prayers for those who need them .. specifically those who believe in the supernatural. They are in need of serious intervention.

And, yes, socialists, like the most of the FOUNDERS, don't believe in the supernatural.
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Oh, I love this one....The founders didn't believe in God eh? Man you are a hoot....HAHAHAHAHA!
 
j-mac said:
Oh, I love this one....The founders didn't believe in God eh? Man you are a hoot....HAHAHAHAHA!
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I baited you. I knew you wouldn't actually know history .. or the bible. Most people who wear religion on their sleeve seldom do.

Many of the Founders were DIESTS. Do DIESTS believe in the supernatural .. did Thomas Jefferson .. who wrote his own bible without the supernatural?

Why don't we ask the Diests?

www.deism.com

You'll find information there on "How to protect your children from the bible."
 
blackascoal said:
You should save your prayers for those who need them .. specifically those who believe in the supernatural. They are in need of serious intervention.

And, yes, socialists, like the most of the FOUNDERS, don't believe in the supernatural.
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gotta ask, but what about the founders leads you to believe they were socialists?
 
blackascoal said:
I baited you. I knew you wouldn't actually know history .. or the bible. Most people who wear religion on their sleeve seldom do.

Many of the Founders were DIESTS. Do DIESTS believe in the supernatural .. did Thomas Jefferson .. who wrote his own bible without the supernatural?

Why don't we ask the Diests?

www.deism.com

You'll find information there on "How to protect your children from the bible."
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First rule of Socialist, and Marx distort history, and religion. One to make your argument, and the other because it is a threat.

I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth- that God Governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? -- Ben Franklin, July 28, 1787

Even the most celebrated deist, Benjamin Franklin, recognized that God sometimes involves Himself in the affairs of men. The American Revolution was a miracle, and the U.S. Constitution, as far as these men were concerned, was created with the assistance of Divine Providence.

Of the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence, all of them were Christians:


Episcopalian/Anglican - 32 - 57.1%
Congregationalist - 13 - 23.2%
Presbyterian - 12 - 21.4%
Quaker - 2 - 3.6%
Unitarian/Universalist - 2 - 3.6%
Catholic - 1 - 1.8%
TOTAL - 56 - 100%

Out of the 56 signers, only two were the overtly unorthodox ”Unitarian/Universalist”: John Adams and Robert Paine (both came from a Congregationalist background). In the most traditional Christian orthodoxy, this "we all get in somehow" attitude tends not to be considered very Christian at all. Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin are celebrated as being mere Deists according to the most liberal thinking, though Jefferson invoked the name of Christ quite a bit for an alleged non-believer, and Franklin seemed to Christianize more and more as he got older. So, taking those four out of the mix, just for argument's sake, and keeping the remainder as examples of the “bible-believing” Christians in the most fundamental classical sense, we still find it to be an interesting set of numbers.

By taking those four out of the list of 56 signers, we still wind up with only 7% of the signers not being orthodox Christians, or it can be said that 93% of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were orthodox bible believing Christians. To break it down further, most had seminary degrees (though that was easy enough to achieve since most universities were tied to denominations), and four of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were current or former full-time preachers. Also, many more of the signers were the sons of clergymen, as well as very active in their churches.

There are those of the anti-Founding Fathers persuasion that will, in response to this, produce many anti-religious quotes by the various Founding Fathers, and I do not deny the existence of those quotes. To understand those quotes, however, we must look at the world from the point of view of the founders. Their frame of reference when it came to "religion" was the Church of England, the established church of England.

When studying the writings of the Founding Fathers, what we come to realize is that they were indeed men of faith, but also skeptics of organized religion. In other words, they were biblical Christians who believed deeply in the Faith the Bible offered, but failed to see anything positive in the organizations of religion that man had created. Considering their view of centralized government, and the dangers of power in the hands of men, this is understandable.

In other words, the founders loved God, believed in Christ, and hated man-made religious organizations and the damage such systems could place on society, and government. They desired the leaders of the new nation to be Godly men, without the influence of an overbearing institutionalized religion. They did not want the church controlling the government, nor the government controlling the church, yet they wanted God's presence to emanate throughout the new government. The founders desired that the members of this new government would be men of God that held to Christian values and principles.

Signer John Witherspoon said:

It is the man of piety and inward principle, that we may expect to find the uncorrupted patriot, the useful citizen, and the invincible soldier. – God grant that in America true religion and civil liberty may be inseperable and that the unjust attempts to destroy the one, may in the issue tend to the support and establishment of both.

So did this nation enjoy a Christian founding?

Yes, but not in the theocratic manner some may think. Yes, most of the States were theocracies at that time, but the founders were searching for a balance where God was an instrumental part of the nation, while keeping the evils of institutionalized religion and an established church at bay.

So here are the facts. The Founding Fathers largely identified themselves as Christians. Approximately 98 percent of the colonists were Protestants, with the remaining 1.9 percent being Roman Catholics. America's colonial origins, or at least in the northern colonies, were encouraged by the desire for religious freedom. Massachusetts, with the Puritans and Pilgrims, is a great example of that. Sure, the southern colonies were more about investment and economic opportunities, but even in those colonies, the protection and promotion of Christianity was more important than many critics assume.

http://politicalpistachio.blogspot.com/2011/07/myth-15-founding-fathers-were.html
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j-mac said:
First rule of Socialist, and Marx distort history, and religion. One to make your argument, and the other because it is a threat.
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"As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?" --- John Adams, letter to F.A. Van der Kamp, Dec. 27, 1816

"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved--the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!" --- John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson

"In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot ... they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer engine for their purpose." --- Thomas Jefferson, to Horatio Spafford, March 17, 1814

"Is uniformity attainable? Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth." --- Thomas Jefferson, from "Notes on Virginia"

"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose." --- Thomas Jefferson to Baron von Humboldt, 1813

"But the greatest of all reformers of the depraved religion of his own country, was Jesus of Nazareth. Abstracting what is really his from the rubbish in which it is buried, easily distinguished by its lustre from the dross of his biographers, and as separable from that as the diamond from the dunghill, we have the outlines of a system of the most sublime morality which has ever fallen from the lips of man. The establishment of the innocent and genuine character of this benevolent morality, and the rescuing it from the imputation of imposture, which has resulted from artificial systems, invented by ultra-Christian sects (The immaculate conception of Jesus, his deification, the creation of the world by him, his miraculous powers, his resurrection and visible ascension, his corporeal presence in the Eucharist, the Trinity; original sin, atonement, regeneration, election, orders of the Hierarchy, etc.) is a most desirable object." --- Thomas Jefferson to W. Short, Oct. 31, 1819

"Experience witnesseth that ecclesiastical establishments, instead of maintaining the purity and efficacy of religion, have had a contrary operation. During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution." --- James Madison, "A Memorial and Remonstrance", 1785

There is a happiness in Deism, when rightly understood, that is not to be found in any other system of religion. All other systems have something in them that either shock our reason, or are repugnant to it, and man, if he thinks at all, must stifle his reason in order to force himself to believe them. -- Thomas Paine

I could go on and on and on. They were Diests, not Christians.

Then there is this .. :0)

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The 1796 Treaty with Tripoli states that the United States was "not in any sense founded on the Christian religion". This treaty was written under the presidency of George Washington and signed under the presidency of John Adams. It was read aloud in Congress and ratified by the entire US Government UNANIMOUSLY.

I knew you knew nothing of history .. which is why I baited you.
 
Superfreak said:
While I understand your point, think about it... they just got free publicity for their show. Cause you know that clip is going to be played and sourced about a billion times.
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They're looking for money from the jesus freaks...grifting.
 
blackascoal said:
You should save your prayers for those who need them .. specifically those who believe in the supernatural. They are in need of serious intervention.

And, yes, socialists, like the most of the FOUNDERS, don't believe in the supernatural.
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blackascoal said:
I never said they were socialists .. I said they were Diests.

Question: What was the Age of Enlightenment/Reason about?

Were the Founders a product of the period?
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you sure about that?
 
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