Murderer Rittenhouse's accomplice gets a 12-yr term, what will Kyle get?

[SmarterthanYou]

It wasn't self defense if he shot first, which he did.

you don't need to be shot at first to defend yourself, especially if the other person is using a club instead of a gun

He was also not legally allowed to carry that gun in the first place.

So not only was he in illegal possession of that weapon, he trafficked it across state lines (a felony) and used it to kill two people (also a felony, and because he trafficked it across state lines, proves intent to kill).

yet the courts have been fairly consistent in dismissing criminal acts if the weapon was actually used to defend yourself..........even convicted felons have had their charges dismissed with prejudice for using weapons in actual self defense

 

[Hawkeye10]

yep, reagansghost is a liar

The Regressives are grand liars, which they advertise when they tell us that they dont believe in truth.

A lot of people have a lot to answer for after tolerating this abuse for so long.

Hopefully folks are getting better:

 

[Dutch Uncle]

OUCH!......imagine the time that little twerp is gonna do, so much for MAGAhead madness

https://www.wisn.com/article/man-fa...ttenhouse-used-in-kenosha-shootings/36534614#

Normally, first sentences don't do half of that, but Mr. Black seems to have fucked himself more ways than the Qless on 1/6.

First a straw purchase, then crossing state lines which led to two homicides and a maiming. If convicted, and, the evidence listed is true, he'll be lucky to serve only 8 years.

"Prosecutors said Black bought the gun for Rittenhouse in what is known as a straw purchase.

Court documents showed the Smith & Wesson M&P 15 rifle was purchased by Black on May 1 at Ladysmith Ace Home Center in Ladysmith, Wisconsin.

Ladysmith is more than 300 miles from Kenosha.

With the city under siege, a used car lot up in flames and other businesses damaged, Rittenhouse and Black had a plan.

Black said he went to the dealership to defend it that night and invited Rittenhouse to join him."

 

[LV426]

you don't need to be shot at first to defend yourself, especially if the other person is using a club instead of a gun

No, HE shot first, before any of those people he killed confronted him.

yet the courts have been fairly consistent in dismissing criminal acts if the weapon was actually used to defend yourself.

How'd that defense work out for James Fields?

even convicted felons have had their charges dismissed with prejudice for using weapons in actual self defense

Unfortunately, this was not self-defense because Rittenhouse trafficked an illegal weapon across state lines with the intent to kill someone.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

No, HE shot first, before any of those people he killed confronted him.

you're obviously talking about another situation then

How'd that defense work out for James Fields?

contrary to popular belief, I don't read minds or have ESP, or even prophetic visions, so maybe you can throw out a link to the episode you're referring to

Unfortunately, this was not self-defense because Rittenhouse trafficked an illegal weapon across state lines with the intent to kill someone.

1. you're not an attorney or a judge, in fact, you're not even smart enough to be a juror...............which is probably why they'd select you
2. unless you're personally involved with the investigation, you really don't fucking know, so do yourself a favor and stop talking about shit you don't have a clue about
3. If you are a mind reader, please post all your credentials to prove it

 

[LV426]

you're obviously talking about another situation then

Isn't it sad that you can't even tell which instance of Rittenhouse opening fire on people I'm talking about because there were so many instances of him doing that?

 

[LV426]

contrary to popular belief, I don't read minds or have ESP, or even prophetic visions, so maybe you can throw out a link to the episode you're referring to

You can't use Google?

James Fields was the "very fine person" who murdered Heather Heyer with his car in Charlottesville in 2017, citing "self defense".

He was convicted of Murder and is now serving life in prison.

 

[LV426]

1. you're not an attorney or a judge, in fact, you're not even smart enough to be a juror...............which is probably why they'd select you

True, I am not an attorney or a judge...though I have spent my fair share of time in courtrooms.

What you come to find out when you do that is that most of the crimes you see tried are painfully similar in nature.

Very rarely is there ever a prosecution of something that doesn't fit within a pattern that already exists.

Deviations would be things like serial killers, but even their trials and convictions are similar.

This Rittenhouse thing is almost exactly like the James Fields thing; where he "panicked" and acted violently in self-defense. Then we come to find that it wasn't "panicking", and that he did precisely what he did with a sober mind.

Rittenhouse is almost exactly the same except that Rittenhouse used a gun instead of a car, and killed 2 people instead of 1.

 

[LV426]

2. unless you're personally involved with the investigation, you really don't fucking know

Very true.

I only know what is in the indictment/criminal complaint: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/7047765-Kyle-Rittenhouse-Criminal-Complaint.html.

That indictment contains a lot of information, and that's what I'm basing my conclusions on.

Like I said...we've seen this almost exact thing play out before with Fields, and his "panic" defense didn't work because it's stupid and a lie that everyone saw right through, including his own attorney after the trial.

 

[LV426]

3. If you are a mind reader, please post all your credentials to prove it

I am not a mind reader, but I do fancy myself as a good observer and judge of character.

 

[Althea]

he feared for his life or the life of others...........that's not murder

LOL. You cannot instigate a crime, and then claim the above. Nice try, though.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

LOL. You cannot instigate a crime, and then claim the above. Nice try, though.

what crime did he instigate?

 

[Althea]

what crime did he instigate?

How can you not know, if you insist on commenting on the topic?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

How can you not know, if you insist on commenting on the topic?

you don't see the paradox of not knowing some crime has been committed with no evidence that a crime has been committed?????

 

[Walt]

idiot. self defense isn't illegal. the moron who bought the gun deserves the 12 years, but rittenhouse acted within the law

Once you do something illegal, self defense is out the window. If you rob a bank, even if your life is in danger, you have no right to self defense. Likewise, Rittenhouse was illegally carrying a gun.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Once you do something illegal, self defense is out the window. If you rob a bank, even if your life is in danger, you have no right to self defense. Likewise, Rittenhouse was illegally carrying a gun.

so you don't really know the law, you just use your feels...........stop being stupid

 

[Althea]

you don't see the paradox of not knowing some crime has been committed with no evidence that a crime has been committed?????

You don't see the paradox of ignoring the crimes your hero committed, in order for you to make the claim of self defense?

 

[Althea]

Once you do something illegal, self defense is out the window. If you rob a bank, even if your life is in danger, you have no right to self defense. Likewise, Rittenhouse was illegally carrying a gun.

I tried to tell him

 

[SmarterthanYou]

You don't see the paradox of ignoring the crimes your hero committed, in order for you to make the claim of self defense?

i'll say it again, those that don't know the laws, how they work, and how the courts decide within those laws, should keep their mouths shut and be thought a fool than to open it up and prove it.

NUMEROUS federal and state courts have held that self defense CAN, and usually DOES, void initial criminal conduct, provided there was no instigation of criminal acts that prompted violence.......after that, you're pretty much screwed...........

so keep on going with your hate, but at this time I do not see Kyle Rittenhouse serving any time whatsoever.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

I tried to tell him

and you're wrong.............it's stupidity like that that leads to your idiot thinking that all someone has to do is open up a lemonade stand without a permit, then self defense is illegal. that's moronic, on your part...........

but i forgot, you're a fucking genius lawyer, right? so you can cite all the court cases and opinions to back your shit up.