My FB post on the war

[LV426]

The reality avoidance goes far beyond that.

Oh really? So what are we avoiding here, dipshit? You're the ones who at first cheered Russia on before taking a look around the room and seeing everyone shooting you death stares.

Fact is, you're just like Trump...in thrall of Putin because he projects the strength you only WISH you could project.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Oh really? So what are we avoiding here, dipshit? You're the ones who at first cheered Russia on before taking a look around the room and seeing everyone shooting you death stares.

Fact is, you're just like Trump...in thrall of Putin because he projects the strength you only WISH you could project.

I pursue truth and speak it to be best of my ability, I am from the Truth Tellers Tribe, I do this regardless of the reaction. I do note the reaction, when I see as I do now large numbers of people who cant think for themselves and dont want to learn and who resist truth fervently I know that we are in big fucking trouble, but that will never alter my behavior.

 

[anatta]

The reality avoidance goes far beyond that.

hyperpartisanship rots the mind .and I dont just mean here. but this thread is an excellent example of such
You start looking at info and making it fit your narrative instead of using the info to construct an unbiased idea

 

[Hawkeye10]

hyperpartisanship rots the mind .and I dont just mean here. but this thread is an excellent example of such
You start looking at info and making it fit your narrative instead of using the info to construct an unbiased idea

They live in fantasy, willfully.

Buckle Up.

 

[LV426]

I pursue truth and speak it to be best of my ability, I am from the Truth Tellers Tribe, I do this regardless of the reaction.

Horseshit.

I do note the reaction, when I see as I do now large numbers of people who cant think for themselves and dont want to learn and who resist truth fervently I know that we are in big fucking trouble, but that will never alter my behavior.

That's a lot of words to say "Maybe I shouldn't support Putin".

 

[LV426]

hyperpartisanship rots the mind .and I dont just mean here. but this thread is an excellent example of such
You start looking at info and making it fit your narrative instead of using the info to construct an unbiased idea

Should be noted that Anatta used Russian Active Measures explicitly called out by DHS.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Horseshit.




That's a lot of words to say "Maybe I shouldn't support Putin".

Russia is a part of The New Chinese Empire, which is out to kick our ass...of course I dont support Putin.

PAY ATTENTION!

 

[anatta]

I pursue truth and speak it to be best of my ability, I am from the Truth Tellers Tribe, I do this regardless of the reaction..

excellent. If I had a nickle for every time I warned unfettered NATO expansion was headed for conflict
i'd be retired. Instead I get the "putin puppet' treatment form warmongering Russiaphobes.

Or massive deflection it was Putin's messianic vision ( somehow delayed 2 decades) that this war was an inevitability.
It's lazy, self serving and requires thought beyond good guys vs. bad guys mentality

 

[Darla]

You didn't like my response?

I'm sorry! It was meant as a thanks, I hit the wrong button. I use a touchscreen, so many times I am worried that while scrolling I'll accidently like some assholes post. I have never done this one before tho!

 

[Hawkeye10]

excellent. If I had a nickle for every time I warned unfettered NATO expansion was headed for conflict
i'd be retired. Instead I get the "putin puppet' treatment form warmongering Russiaphobes.

Or massive deflection it was Putin's messianic vision ( somehow delayed 2 decades) that this war was an inevitability.
It's lazy, self serving and requires thought beyond good guys vs. bad guys mentality

Thinking is beyond so many now. The sort of things they do at JPP is what they do instead.

This is the road to ruin of course, and they get really upset when I say this.

In the war between fantasy and reality reality always wins.

The wake ups are brutal too....

 

[Darla]

Just as a fyi, I never groan anyone's posts. I either answer or move on. Except for yurt because anyone groaning his posts would make him explode. lol

 

[Cypress]

excellent. If I had a nickle for every time I warned unfettered NATO expansion was headed for conflict
i'd be retired. Instead I get the "putin puppet' treatment form warmongering Russiaphobes.

Or massive deflection it was Putin's messianic vision ( somehow delayed 2 decades) that this war was an inevitability.
It's lazy, self serving and requires thought beyond good guys vs. bad guys mentality

What makes you think it was delayed by two decades? Dear Vlad has been incrementally reconstituting the Russian Empire since at least 2008, and arguably before that . South Osettia, Crimea, Donbass, and Ukraine stand in testament of that. Not to mention, Belarus has been effectively annexed by Putin for the last two decades.

 

[Cypress]

lol no.it was the 'Patient in Berlin" ‘smart voting’ initiative.. purely electoral
you really need to diversify your Russian sources .

I don't read Kremlin state media, or American rightwing media personalities.

I read what independent, educated Russian citizens and academics are writing.

 

[anatta]

What makes you think it was delayed by two decades? Dear Vlad has been incrementally reconstituting the Russian Empire since at least 2008, and arguably before that . South Osettia, Crimea, Donbass, and Ukraine stand in testament of that. Not to mention, Belarus has been effectively annexed by Putin for the last two decades.

Ukraine is the big enchilada . I believe i've put together enough information ( just like i did with Libya)
to show Crimea was a reaction to the threat to Sevastopol. The lease was signed then Poroshenko did what all the Orange types did. go wobbly on it
Donbass is Russian separatists - not Russian troops before this invasion

Belarus is tied to Russia because of western threats.not some messianic vision
You seem to think Putin is this demon weaving a web for his vision
In fact his strategy is grounded in realpolitik:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarus–Russia_relations#2000s
the strategic value of Belarus seemed to continue to rise for Russia because of the international developments. These activities included the United States military activity in the post-Soviet space since the September 11 attacks in 2001, the eastern European states shift towards the west, the plans to deploy NATO's missile defense system in Poland or the Czech Republic, and above all the rise of the colour revolutions. As a result, despite setbacks in political and economic integration, the military-integration processes between the two states continued.[6]

As Russia realized that a full integration with Belarus would be costly, it shifted its foreign policy towards a more pragmatic direction. Two major goals were distinguishable in this policy — The first was to reduce the economic burden which Belarus laid on its economy and the second was to take over the energy transit infrastructure in Belarus. These two goals have influenced most of the conflicts and Gas Wars between the two countries.

 

[anatta]

I don't read Kremlin state media, or American rightwing media personalities.

I read what independent, educated Russian citizens and academics are writing.

that's all well and good, but i suggest multisourcing as well
Navalny smart voting was a real threat to undo Putin by a democratic process not some conspiratorial getting the goods on Putin or whatever

 

[Cypress]

Ukraine is the big enchilada . I believe i've put together enough information ( just like i did with Libya)
to show Crimea was a reaction to the threat to Sevastopol. The lease was signed then Poroshenko did what all the Orange types did. go wobbly on it
Donbass is Russian separatists - not Russian troops before this invasion

Belarus is tied to Russia because of western threats.not some messianic vision
You seem to think Putin is this demon weaving a web for his vision
In fact his strategy is grounded in realpolitik:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarus–Russia_relations#2000s
the strategic value of Belarus seemed to continue to rise for Russia because of the international developments. These activities included the United States military activity in the post-Soviet space since the September 11 attacks in 2001, the eastern European states shift towards the west, the plans to deploy NATO's missile defense system in Poland or the Czech Republic, and above all the rise of the colour revolutions. As a result, despite setbacks in political and economic integration, the military-integration processes between the two states continued.[6]

As Russia realized that a full integration with Belarus would be costly, it shifted its foreign policy towards a more pragmatic direction. Two major goals were distinguishable in this policy — The first was to reduce the economic burden which Belarus laid on its economy and the second was to take over the energy transit infrastructure in Belarus. These two goals have influenced most of the conflicts and Gas Wars between the two countries.

Belarus was nominally an autonomous republic in the USSR. Byelorussia had it's own seat in the UN. It was still on the puppet strings of Moscow much the way Lukashenko is Putin's puppet.

Okay, so that is your long winded way of saying Putin has not been waiting 20 years to make incremental progress in reconstituting a Russian empire. He's been working at it all along.

 

[anatta]

to be clear i do not support this war. I understand the factors ( see OP) and looking back see so many opportunities at diplomacy that were tossed aside because of jingoist Russiaphobia

Kyiv had become a defacto NATO state, and a true threat to Russian security
If Putin had simply gone into Donbas ( LDNR) it would have been sane and proportional

But now we have Russian missiles hitting apt buildings.
Ukraine forces are using civilians as human shields and that needs to be called out as well

But this is Putins war and he owns the grizzly results

 

[Jarod]

If it were, a few key drone strikes would have ended this nonsense already

You honestly believe that the Russian army can be stopped with a few drone strikes?

 

[reagansghost]

Ukraine forces are using civilians as human shields and that needs to be called out as well

you.are.pathetic.

 

[Trumpet]

you.are.pathetic.

anatta is pathetic and than some.