My paper on ethics

facts exists whether a human mind is there to experience that fact


Because human minds can differ in how they perceive the nature of that fact it does not change that facts reality.


Get it


human perception is not going to change the nature of a chemical reaction

There are facts


who determines the nature of that fact ?


only those capable of leaving their personal percept out of the equation

Those that only seek truth and have the integrity to accept what actually IS in stead of seeing only that which embellishes what they want to be true.


there are humans who seek that


there are humans that seek to destroy that


no philosophy of mankind can destroy that there is actual truth based on fact


if man never existed the truth of facts would still exist


there would just be no one to try and pretend actual truth and facts are not real because some humans don't think about them or value them



reality exists whether mankind is there to ponder it or not


facts matter


truth matters


whether mankind cares to understand it or pretend it away
 
how fucking stupid of you pp

the only thing about facts that would not exist if mankind didn't exist is the effects of assholes like who create lies to deny facts so you can harm others to your own perceived benifit
 
some Humans create LIES to cloud reality and facts so they can harm others



PP is a tool of those people
 
This is part 1 draft 1 of a paper I recently wrote and I would be interested in hearing what you guys think. Thanks!

Ethics are not opinions. They are not subjective feelings. They do not change from person to person, or from legal structure to legal structure. They are facts which necessarily follow from the basic nature of humanity. Whether one knows or believes them, they are real, and their consequences are real.

"Endurance produces Character, and Character produces Hope." - Romans 5:4

Character can be defined as the resistance to internal or external pressures against acting on one's principles.

Hope is the belief that a better future is possible. Before a person can make a choice, they must first conceive of a preferable future, and believe that actions that they take can move them towards
this.

Without character, a person is constantly being formed by his environment. He lacks continuity of identity. In a way, he does not
exist. He is the output of circumstance, a localized collection of disassociated events. He is shallow, two dimensional. "A man without purpose is capable of any evil, because he is at the mercy of random feelings." - Ayn Rand. If man is part rational and part animal, then the person who does not reason for himself is mere animal. He is an effect and not a cause. He does not think for himself, therefore he cannot speak, listen, or act for himself--a conduit for another's will. There is little reason to form partnerships with such an unpredictable person. Cynicism is to lose faith in systems or people. It stems from random, unpredictable, disingenuous, corrupt, and cruel environments. It is a wasteland without wind, alienating and unconvincing. It provokes existential boredom.

To have character there must be a why that transcends the moment. There must be the belief in absolute, objective, discoverable truths. There must be a reason to value these truths. With this, it is possible to maintain a coherent perspective and l direction throughout changing power dynamics and incentive structures. "A fixed point in a world of turning." To see the truth and to hold to it. To be convinced, and to have conviction. Now there is a person. He exists in both space and time, holding his identity from one moment to the next.
Existing in distinction from the currents around him, pushing back, creating in that wake the form and strength of his mind and will. Existing. "As a man thinks in his heart, so is he."

Reason has the ability to discover these truths. Proper reasoning opens the mind to close on the truth. To reason, in its most basic essence, is to tell oneself the truth. Truth is that which corresponds to reality. It is independent of minds. Whether it is unknown or disbelieved, it is still reality. It is not possible for there to be no objective truth, for everything to be the subjective creations of the mind, for the simple reason that the prerequisite facts of the mind and its ability to make subjective judgments must itself be an objective truth. As reason is used, thoughts, feelings, and actions will be judged and processed and come into alignment. They will become coherent, and internally consistent. This will create a strength. The person will be less and less torn, aimless, and insecure. Instead there will be calm, clarity, and a sense of center. This is the state of Integrity.

Once character is formed, it is possible to reasonably expect a person to hold to his principles, that is to be himself, in the future. When one can know what to expect, one can plan in one's own best interest. One can invest. One can enter into joint ventures that
take time and effort, that are complex, precious, and fragile. It is possible to entrust oneself, to expose vulnerabilities, to explore,
share wisdom, and mend. It is possible to shore up weaknesses as they arise. To create synergistic bonds. It is possible to befriend. These are the prerequisites for a relationship--because the person thinks, and asserts, and can be depended upon to act as expected, and to not betray those expectations.

With these possibilities comes hope. The knowledge that the character of those around you will hold is wind in the sails, so that you can direct yourself in these waters. It is to enlarge the world.

But not all character is created equal. We see that reason is the means to grasp truths that transcend the here and now. Good reason will encompass all relevant truths. As I am aware of my own being, my needs and desires, I can also project what my future self's needs will be. If I am an agent--a being with the natural right to live as myself, to define myself, and to direct myself, that is, to live--then for what reason would other people not naturally have the same rights as I do, given that they are of the same basic nature as me? And for what reason would their future selves not have the same importance
that mine does? No rational person (non-animal) can give themselves rights and not others with no relevant differentiating factor. And so the nature of ethics is such that it is universal, applying equally to each being who possesses the qualifying factors. "Love your neighbor as yourself."

Empathy is a valuable tool for practicing the universal ethic. Empathy is simply to attempt to tell oneself the truth about the internal lives of others.

Perhaps the nihilist will object, if they care to do so, and suggest that we cannot know if there is meaning in ourselves, in others, or in anything at all. Granting this for the sake of argument, we are left with two options: there is no meaning in life, or there is meaning. If there is no meaning, then we lose nothing to assume that there is. But if there is meaning, then we may do wrong if we assume that there isn't. Therefore, without clear evidence to the contrary, it is ethically necessary to act under the assumption that there is meaning to life and there are such things as ethics. Now we may resume our efforts in differentiating what these may be.

Character is characterized by these things: telling oneself the truth, directing oneself, and acting taking into account both the future and others.

As one takes into account others, naturally the good that you hope to see in them is fundamentally the same for them as for you--that is that they tell themselves the truth and direct themselves. And this is the process of maturation: we are born dependents, we strive to be independents, then we strive to be depended upon, the purpose of which
is to help our dependents become independent themselves, and so continue the cycle. It is as if we are climbing out of a great pit, being helped along the way, and as we reach the top, or at least a place higher than another, we may reach down and pull them up as well. A computer was once programmed to play a game with a simple object in mind, to play the game as many times as possible. It was given a ball that tended to succumb to gravity, and it taught itself how to keep it up. This was the defining key to it's intelligence: always play in such a way that you leave yourself with the maximum amount of options. This is what humanity is doing for each other. We break our chains and throw off our limitations, with the only exception being that we do not do so at the expense of one of our own. To act without character is to cut off options, to create dead ends, to close off life. "Civilization is the process of setting man free from men." - Ayn Rand.

"Is this not the fast that I have chosen:
To loose the bonds of wickedness,
To undo the heavy burdens,
To let the oppressed go free,
And that you break every yoke?" - Isaiah 58:6

And so we hold a high and noble view of each person beside us, with deep appreciation for their personal tastes and passions, opinions and motives, their individuality. We cherish *them*. When
they succeed, we celebrate, whether we are ever to benefit from it or not.

Which can be summed up by a single sentence. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
 
If people disagree about what truth is, what is absolute about it? It means truth, like ethics, is subjective.

Re: truth. Who decides who is right and who is wrong?

Truth is subjective? :laugh:

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I'm curious how those examples demonstrate that there is no absolute truth. That just shows that there are people who disagree about what the truth is. It could be that when people disagree, some are right and some are wrong, which is consistent with mind-independent, objective, "absolute" truth.

When people disagree, where the the absolute nature of that "truth"?

Who decides who is right and who is wrong?
 
When people disagree, where the the absolute nature of that "truth"?

Who decides who is right and who is wrong?

domer76, please assume the following is true for the sake of argument:

Two people walk into a bar. The first dislikes the bar. The second does not believe that bars exist, and continues to hold to that belief despite a large mark running across his forehead.

There are several things going on here.

One person exists, and generates a subjective belief about the bar that is unique to him, and not true of the other person.

Another person exists, and generates a belief about the objective facts of the world around him.

And a bar exists.

Prior to either party walking into the bar, before either of them had the opportunity to know of its existence, it did in fact exist. This is an example of mind independent truth.

When people interact with said truth, they may or may not acknowledge it. Their opinions about it may be right or wrong. And they may also come up with self expressions that depend on their own personalities that are subjective.


As I said in my paper, objective truth *must* exist, because before a person can form their subjective opinions, that person and their mind and capacity to form their subjective opinions must first exist.

As for "who decides," it is not a matter of deciding, but a matter of discovering. Anyone with the capacity for reason and the willingness to use it might "discover" the objective truth. Who decides 1+1=2? Who decides whether or not there is a bar to walk into? Whether you decide there is a bar or not, there still may be one.

My question for you is this: if claims to truth are subjective and equally valid, is the claim that there are no absolute truths equally as valid as the claim that there are absolute truths?
 
domer76, please assume the following is true for the sake of argument:

Two people walk into a bar. The first dislikes the bar. The second does not believe that bars exist, and continues to hold to that belief despite a large mark running across his forehead.

There are several things going on here.

One person exists, and generates a subjective belief about the bar that is unique to him, and not true of the other person.

Another person exists, and generates a belief about the objective facts of the world around him.

And a bar exists.

Prior to either party walking into the bar, before either of them had the opportunity to know of its existence, it did in fact exist. This is an example of mind independent truth.

When people interact with said truth, they may or may not acknowledge it. Their opinions about it may be right or wrong. And they may also come up with self expressions that depend on their own personalities that are subjective.


As I said in my paper, objective truth *must* exist, because before a person can form their subjective opinions, that person and their mind and capacity to form their subjective opinions must first exist.

As for "who decides," it is not a matter of deciding, but a matter of discovering. Anyone with the capacity for reason and the willingness to use it might "discover" the objective truth. Who decides 1+1=2? Who decides whether or not there is a bar to walk into? Whether you decide there is a bar or not, there still may be one.

My question for you is this: if claims to truth are subjective and equally valid, is the claim that there are no absolute truths equally as valid as the claim that there are absolute truths?

There is no accepting something for the sake of argument when part of that premise is absurd. A man is in a bar and denies its existance? Sorry, you lose a rational mind right away.

Challenge for you. I can provide a near endless list of subjective “truths”. Can you identify a single absolute truth?
 
Challenge for you. I can provide a near endless list of subjective “truths”. Can you identify a single absolute truth?

Providing lists of subjective truths does not really answer the question I had for you.

Here is an absolute truth:

The statement "there are no absolute truths" is false.

The proof: If there are no absolute truths, that in itself would be an absolute truth. If it is true, then it is false. If it is false, then it is false.

This is called a self refuting statement.

There are two kinds of statements: synthetic and analytic.

Synthetic statements require outside evidence to demonstrate whether they are true or false. You can determine the truth value of analytic statements merely by their internal logical composition. The types of anaclitic statements are tautologies and self-refuting statements. I have just provided you with a self-refuting statement. It is impossible for it to be true, and therefore it must be false.

If you could answer the question I had for you I would greatly appreciate it.
 
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