MY vision for the future of mankind

NOVA said:
Spoken like a true Maxist......

and your share of the debt is about 1.2 million dollars, if you care to write a check to the US Treasury today.
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I know. The truth hurts! Capitalism creates debt and debt creates taxes and inflation and they in turn create poverty. Capitalism when mismanaged(which is always) creates slavery to perpetual debt.
 
Lorca said:
Translation: [whine] I will never have all the 'stuff' other people have and it's not fair! [\whine]
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Translation? When I was dishonest like most successful capitalists? I could afford anything. Now that I am honest? I am having trouble making ends meet. Like most other honest people struggling.
 
wiseones2cents said:
Translation? When I was dishonest like most successful capitalists? I could afford anything. Now that I am honest? I am having trouble making ends meet. Like most other honest people struggling.
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Do you have some basis for assessing my honesty? Or my financial state?

Here's a clue: I am comfortable, but have yet to own a vehicle made in this century. Paradox? Or just a matter of choices?
 
Truth Detector said:
You think that Government is part of a Capitalist system? Are you naturally this stupid or do you have to work at it?

Here is the definition of Capitalism dimwit:

Capitalism is an economic system based on private ownership of the means of production and capital goods, and the production of goods and services for profit in a market economy

Where does it say Government?
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YOU the big dummy said debt and inflation is a GOVERNMENT issue. I didn't say government is capitalism. I said debt and inflation are part of the capitalist system! You dumb fuck. The government just regulates the capitalists system for capitalist elite benefit.





IN other words, you think the economic pie is finite and if one person gets more, another must therefore go without. This is the dimwits definition. The economy is infinite.

Once again we see another incredibly stupid claim; the rich cannot “take” anything. That would be the Government that can “take.”
Does Bill Gates FORCE you to buy his product; or do you buy it voluntarily?

Did Steven Jobs FORCE you to buy an Ipod or Iphone, or did you buy it voluntarily.

Does the Government FORCE you to buy healthcare now, or are you doing it voluntarily.

You remind me of an old adage of why one should not engage idiots in debate; they just try to drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

I don’t call you an idiot because I wantonly use the expression to avoid debate; I call you that because you really are an idiot as illustrated on this thread.

You really need to pick up a book once in a while. You’re comprehension and knowledge of capitalism, economics and the Fed could fill a thimble.

Yes, you really are THAT stupid.
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Again your colossal stupidity abounds!!! That's like saying. "Does the government force me to drink water? To eat food? To buy gasoline?"

When it comes to things we don't need we have a choice, but when it comes to necessities, we have NO CHOICE!

Capitalism is an apple tree in an orchard. Everyone picks the apples freely. The capitalist comes, buys the land, and then charges $2 for an apple. If you have money, you eat. If not? You starve. Then he sells some of the apples to his son. His son sells the apples that once were free, then cost $2 and he sells them for $4. You either pay $4 or you starve.

Yes you really are that stupid!!! Capitalism is rigged to benefit the rich. The poor/working class have to subsidize their capitalist purchases, ventures and luxurious lifestyles.
 
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Lorca said:
Do you have some basis for assessing my honesty? Or my financial state?

Here's a clue: I am comfortable, but have yet to own a vehicle made in this century. Paradox? Or just a matter of choices?
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When did this conversation become about you? I don't give a fuck if you use a tortoise for transportation. Just telling you that capitalism is a failure. Detroit will tell you and every other nation that has defaulted or is in danger of defaulting! Over 50% of Americans are living pay check tyo paycheck and over 80% are in debt. Those are not pretty numbers!
 
Truth Detector said:
Another idiot’s claim containing nothing more substantive than “because you say so”; dimwit.



Detroit didn’t fail because of capitalism moron; it failed thanks to corrupt Democrat politicians who bled the taxpayers dry.

Yes, you really are THAT stupid.



Do you know why the Fed would buy Government securities?



You really are a clueless dimwit aren’t you?



This coming from the person who constantly whines about insults; got irony?



Where did you get this version of history; from a movie?

Dimwit.



Another incredibly dimwitted comment from a tin foil hatted man who blamed the Jews.

“…which he claimed was created and operated by Jewish banking interests who conspired to economically control the United States. “



No dimwit; just more facts.



Nothing but insults; say it isn’t so!!

Once again dullard; all but 10% of the Feds PROFITS go directly back into the Federal Treasury to meet Government obligations.

What part of the obvious do you continue to not comprehend.

The taxpayers are not paying 90% interest you dipshit. No one can be this incredibly stupid can they?

Oh that’s right, you really are THAT stupid.
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What a waste of time to debate this guy. He replied with mostly insults. The European bankers already OWN America! Here is a little history for you, you dumb fuck. Capitalism proved to be a big failure. In the 20's when all the banks failed, and were going out of business due to corruption and mismanagement? People started making runs on the bank. And the bankers were unable to give back money because their investments had gone sour. This created a massive depression. Industry came to a hault!So they created the federal reserve, so it can make money out of thin air. UNCONSTITUTIONALLY, to cover the banks. What you have today is not even capitalism, since capitalism failed LONG ago!

Today it only exists as long as the people believe that the worthless federal notes hold vale(which they actually do not)! Put that in your pipe and smoke it! You've just been owned bitch!


Again, most of the national debt IS INTEREST! Therefore your reply is unsupported by reality.
 
Capitalism doesn't work when you coodle it with this money, printed out of thin air. The banks should have been allowed to fail then, and they should have been allowed to fail a lifetime after that. Let the defaulter default, pay the piper.

We shouldn't be bailing anything out, or pumping money into the system, distorting the value.
 
wiseones2cents said:
When did this conversation become about you? I don't give a fuck if you use a tortoise for transportation. Just telling you that capitalism is a failure. Detroit will tell you and every other nation that has defaulted or is in danger of defaulting! Over 50% of Americans are living pay check tyo paycheck and over 80% are in debt. Those are not pretty numbers!
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Well apparently it's not a failure and it became about me when you accused me of being dishonest, which I am not.
 
Dionaea said:
Capitalism doesn't work when you coodle it with this money, printed out of thin air. The banks should have been allowed to fail then, and they should have been allowed to fail a lifetime after that. Let the defaulter default, pay the piper.

We shouldn't be bailing anything out, or pumping money into the system, distorting the value.
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Silly boy. The house does not like to gamble. It's only ok when the middle class loses his/her investments. The rich don't like to lose. The rich operate like the mafia. They ALWAYS get their money back. Or at least try to using every means possible.

When they unconstitutionally made fiat money it gave life to a faulty system.

What you are suggesting is that all the depositors in the bank should be allowed to lose their life savings and deposits because a bank mismanaged their money? Bad loans?

You have to understand. A bank makes money using other people's money. They get deposits. Give the depositors some interest(which is also taxed), then they lend it out at 5x the interest and pocket it. When the company goes bankrupt, the bank takes the loss. Since it's not the bank's money? It is actually the depositor's money that is lost. That is why the bank now charges so many service fees. To re-cooperate losses via failed capitalist ventures. The main bankers would never dip into their own stah and take a loss.
 
wiseones2cents said:
I never called you dishonest. But you are clearly a moron.
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So you were not responding to my quote below?

Lorca said:
Translation: [whine] I will never have all the 'stuff' other people have and it's not fair! [\whine]
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wiseones2cents said:
Translation? When I was dishonest like most successful capitalists? I could afford anything. Now that I am honest? I am having trouble making ends meet. Like most other honest people struggling.
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Talk about dishonest!
 
The Dude said:
Federal reserve was around 15 years prior to the depression!
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Doesn't mater. The federal reserve was invented to stop runs on banks. But they only bailed out the banks they supported.

Basically they gambled with loans, over invested and couldn't deal with the bank runs. Even fractional banking is a way for them to make money from money they don't have. Capitalism is a sham.
 
wiseones2cents said:
Doesn't mater. The federal reserve was invented to stop runs on banks. But they only bailed out the banks they supported.

Basically they gambled with loans, over invested and couldn't deal with the bank runs. Even fractional banking is a way for them to make money from money they don't have. Capitalism is a sham.
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I find often those aware but to dumb to invest in banks are often angry
 
The Dude said:
I find often those aware but to dumb to invest in banks are often angry
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Which reminds me of a quote or two.

"The few who understand the system, will either be so interested from it's profits or so dependant on it's favors, that there will be no opposition from that class." - Rothschild Brothers of London, 1863


"It is well that the people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." - Henry Ford
 
The Dude said:
Yes thew view from the hill, is marvelous
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The Fool on the hill

Day after day,
Alone on a hill,
The man with the foolish grin is keeping perfectly still
But nobody wants to know him,
They can see that he's just a fool,
And he never gives an answer,

But the fool on the hill,
Sees the sun going down,
And the eyes in his head,
See the world spinning 'round.

Well on the way,
Head in a cloud,
The man of a thousand voices talking perfectly loud
But nobody ever hears him,
or the sound he appears to make,
and he never seems to notice,

But the fool on the hill,
Sees the sun going down,
And the eyes in his head,
See the world spinning 'round.

And nobody seems to like him,
they can tell what he wants to do,
and he never shows his feelings,

But the fool on the hill,
Sees the sun going down,
And the eyes in his head,
See the world spinning 'round.

Ooh, ooh,
Round and round and round.

And he never listens to them,
He knows that they're the fools
They don't like him,

The fool on the hill
Sees the sun going down,
And the eyes in his head,
See the world spinning 'round.

Ooh,
Round and round and round
 
wiseones2cents said:
Silly boy. The house does not like to gamble. It's only ok when the middle class loses his/her investments. The rich don't like to lose. The rich operate like the mafia. They ALWAYS get their money back. Or at least try to using every means possible.

When they unconstitutionally made fiat money it gave life to a faulty system.

What you are suggesting is that all the depositors in the bank should be allowed to lose their life savings and deposits because a bank mismanaged their money? Bad loans?

You have to understand. A bank makes money using other people's money. They get deposits. Give the depositors some interest(which is also taxed), then they lend it out at 5x the interest and pocket it. When the company goes bankrupt, the bank takes the loss. Since it's not the bank's money? It is actually the depositor's money that is lost. That is why the bank now charges so many service fees. To re-cooperate losses via failed capitalist ventures. The main bankers would never dip into their own stah and take a loss.
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I understand, but if we are talking about ideals and fantasy than I'ma put that out there.
And yes, like everything else, no money is actually secure. If you invest in a bank, which is what you do when you hand over your own money, you take a gamble.
 
Dionaea said:
I understand, but if we are talking about ideals and fantasy than I'ma put that out there.
And yes, like everything else, no money is actually secure. If you invest in a bank, which is what you do when you hand over your own money, you take a gamble.
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Do you give your money to the bank so they can invest YOUR money for profit(of which you get a really small piece of?) I can understand the big depositors who make a higher percentage. Still. Regular people put their money in the bank to PROTECT IT!!

How dare a bank gamble with money that is not theirs to gamble with? If the depositor agrees to risking their deposits, that is different.

Now they have fail safes to stops runs on banks and stocks. They hold your assets hostage.

What you suggest would cause public upheaval. Maybe that is what capitalism needs to keep it in check. Not recessions but civil wars/revolutions.
 
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