Since when has Dixie ever let a few facts get in the way of his blustering crazy?
N Korean situation: How's Obama doing?
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Since when has Dixie ever let a few facts get in the way of his blustering crazy?
Dixie - In Memoriam
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You pipe down, moron. I've not been obliterated in anything ever. I clearly stated the insurgency was comprised of former Saddam loyalists and radical Islamic terrorists. I did say that most of the radical Islamists were from outside of Iraq, and I haven't seen anything that disputes this. Also, it presents quite the dilemma for you, because if they aren't from outside of Iraq, it means radical Islamic terrorism existed in Iraq under Saddam, something you and Saddam vehemently denied.
I also split no hairs. I correctly stated that we were not fighting "Iraq" during the bulk of the past 10 years. You want it to be like Vietnam, and it's not. Sorry!
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War is war, doofus. Iraq was 10 years of hell, for the country & for the soldiers fighting it. All it does is support the contention that war is impossibly unpredictable, which is why it's a last resort, and not the cowboy option that you tend to prefer.
So yeah - you split hairs. I fail to see how it changes the nature of what we got into over there, recklessly & needlessly.
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I never said a word about Jeffersonian democracy. The Iraqi people very much formed an Arab democracy, and 70% of the Iraqi population enthusiastically supported it, and have continued to support it the past decade. I never claimed there would be peace or singing of kumbaya, those are the arguments you posed AGAINST us liberating them. I've never had a fantasy vision, my vision was realized when 70% of the Iraqi people proudly donned purple thumbs and participated in democratic elections. YOUR fantasy vision of civil war and the country devolving into chaos, is what hasn't happened.
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Uhm... there has been fighting between Sunnis and Shiites for THOUSANDS of years, dear.
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A civil war? Give me a break, it is nothing close to that.
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show us where it has been escalating in the past several years.
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Some of the links in post 100 discuss the escalation.
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What about today??
Terrorists set off 18 bombs around Iraq, killing up to 32 and injuring hundreds, as they attempted to derail elections. The blasts came during morning rush hour on Monday amid tightened security ahead of the country's first polls since the US troop withdrawal in December 2011. Reports varied as to the number killed with some putting the figure at 23. Almost 200 people were said to have been injured.
Read more: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/iraq-hit-18-bomb-blasts-killing-27-081906148.html#vDopgKI
Dixie - In Memoriam
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War is war... WOW... what a brilliant thing to come up with, did you do that by yourself, Lummox?
Iraq was NOT 10 years of hell, I have relatives who were there. I was there as a contractor. Iraq may have been 6-8 months of hell, while we battled resistance from insurgent strongholds in Fallujah and elsewhere, but that was part of establishing western style democracy in the Arab world. North Korea isn't the Arab world, and western style democracy exists right across the border in South Korea. I didn't suggest we try to establish a western style democracy in North Korea, I just said we should take out the North Korean tyrant, and let the chips fall where they may.
We have a bit of a problem with your comprehension, you seem to want to believe "last resort" means NEVER EVER! We have tried diplomacy with North Korea, for 60 years. We have tried paying off North Korea, we have tried sanctions, we have tried negotiation, we have tried to pressure China, we have literally done everything we can think of, and still they threaten to nuke our allies. Our "last resort" simply can not come AFTER they have followed through with this threat! YES... War is Hell! YES... War is unpredictable! But America is still in a declared state of war with North Korea.
In how to deal with this problem, I take you back to your initial post to me, where you came up with the idea of preemptive invasion all on your own, before anyone ever mentioned it. And I told you why, it's because you KNOW this is the only solution that will work to end this problem. I haven't argued that we should invade or try to establish democracy, I said we should turn them into a grease spot if they fail to disarm. You have NO solution, except to follow John Kerry around with your nose up his ass, trying yet another round of economic sanctions which won't work.
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No - I came up w/ the idea of pre-emptive invasion because it's how YOU think, Bush toadie. My post was sarcastic, because you were clearly implying that you advocate Iraq II for NK.
And NK isn't a threat to the U.S. Bluster isn't a reason for thousands if not hundreds of thousands to die.
Dixie - In Memoriam
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No, you came up with the idea before I even offered any suggestion. I hadn't implied ANYTHING when you said that. Your reply may have been sarcastic, but it fully illustrated the point I nailed you on, that the liberal left KNOW what the solution is here, they just lack the courage to do it.
What I finally DID suggest, was nothing like Iraq and wouldn't result in any US casualties. I said nothing about blustering or that NK posed a threat to the US. They DO pose a threat to a US ally, and this is something you seem to think is not that important. Do you believe it's unimportant for the US to have allies? Do you think allies don't mind when we're not there to help them defend their interests? More importantly, if NK had nukes pointed at your neighborhood and was threatening to fire them, would you have the same desire to just stick your head in the sand and ignore the threat?
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How about this? I don't give a shit how we handle it....but if we decide to go to war, how about we keep it on the books and actually figure out a way to pay for it this time? Not enter into a money pit of a conflict and give tax cuts on top of it....that was doubling down on stupid.
The leader of NK is simply trying to promote an emergency and make himself look strong to shore up power within his inner circle, and the rest of the world knows that. It serves our media well however to whip up the fear machine and sell some soap.
Obama did the right thing, remain quiet while using back channel means to keep NK contained and from launching any missles.
Obama did the right thing, remain quiet while using back channel means to keep NK contained and from launching any missles.
This is fact thingy1.....
...... that a large number of Iraqis turned out the vote, is evidence a large number favored democracy over tyranny. They fact they didn't vote in a Sunni government is evidence this large number was not affiliated with the insurgency. The fact that they didn't break out into civil war, as you frequently predicted would happen, is evidence that the majority in Iraq embraced western style democracy and rejected the insurgency.
They cheered Saddams ouster....they hung him....what part is difficult for you. Almost all of the terrorism was "civil war" to an extent....
If the bombs start to fall on S. Korea and Japan....maybe killing a few hundred thousand, will it then be time to strike the crazies in the North ?
Or should be wait until they get the ability to send a missile to LA before we act ?
“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing worth a war, is worse. A man who has nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety is a miserable creature who has no chance at being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.”
― John Stuart Mill
Remember when you said Iraq had WMD... You were obliterated on that one.
I even remember when Bill and Hillary both said that....and a dozen other stars of the Democrats....
