Nancy Pelosi and Top Members of Congress Were Aware of Waterboarding in 2002
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Epicurus
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yes im right. its war. these people are not killed they are not maimed.. its simply a fear driven technique... far less brutal then our enemies would do to our soldiers.
for god sakes this technique is responsible for saving American lives without killing the prisoner.
everyone stop being suck pussies.
Epicurus
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By supporting torture, you're supporting the torture of any captured American soldier.
Just so you know. Top military officers have come out swinging against "enhanced interrogation techniques" arguing that anything done to detainees will incite similar action on American soldiers.
Just so you know. Top military officers have come out swinging against "enhanced interrogation techniques" arguing that anything done to detainees will incite similar action on American soldiers.
You have zero evidence that torture is effective in eliciting actionable information.
The techniques were derived from Soviet torture practices are were designed to elicit false confessions, not truthful information. You'd be a good commie, Chap.
No im not supporting torture on American soldiers. hence why this should be done under the radar.
BUT if as a result of waterbording we stop some attack that would kill hundreds of Americans... but unfortunately because of what we did a couple solders were subject to torture its a sacrifice thats justified.
Epicurus
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The problem with your theory is that while the torture-induced ramblings of a detainee may occasionally lead to a legitimate terrorist plot, that isn't going to happen very often.
By contrast, if it is known that the US condones torture, waterboarding, or "enhanced interrogation", it is an absolute certain that our soldiers will be tortured.
I'm not willing to trade the certainty of more American military deaths for a remote chance at using evil means to possibly respond to an attack in time.
Creating 24-style interrogation scenarios seems to be the only way that Republicans can justify torture nowadays.
And my point still stands. You're going to have to come up with something better than this:
I think I probably am king of the world, but that doesn't make it so. I'd also add that there are wildly different accounts of (a) the value of Abu Zabaydah as a source of information, (b) the mental stability of him (c) his "rank" in Al Qaeda (d) the value of the information he provided, etc. . .
As a final point, I would also note that the interrogator admits that waterboading is torture and also says that the United States shouldn't be doing it. So, even if this guy is right that torture led to valuable information that disrupted attacks shouldn't we also value his position that torture shouldn't be conducted?
You are assuming that the plots foiled were not real and no Americans were saved.
You are assuming that our POW's will only be subject to torture if we toucher.
I assume that those in charge in the military are getting credible information thats saving lives.
I assume that alquida will not only torture our soldiers but kill them regardless of what we do.
You are assuming that our POW's will only be subject to torture if we toucher.
I assume that those in charge in the military are getting credible information thats saving lives.
I assume that alquida will not only torture our soldiers but kill them regardless of what we do.
Epicurus
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And that is one of many reasons we have long ago lost the battle for hearts and minds.
We surrendered the moral high ground before we ever began this stupid fucking war.
Epicurus
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Chapdog's Next Argument:
Well let's assume that Osama bin Laden has 1000 Americans held hostage at gunpoint and he will kill them by midnight! BUT U DONT KNOW WHERE HE IS! Do you torture a captured terrrorist to get the information to save lives????? ZOMG?!
I wonder how often this situation could conceivably occur outside of 24 and the minds of FOX News contributors.
Well let's assume that Osama bin Laden has 1000 Americans held hostage at gunpoint and he will kill them by midnight! BUT U DONT KNOW WHERE HE IS! Do you torture a captured terrrorist to get the information to save lives????? ZOMG?!
I wonder how often this situation could conceivably occur outside of 24 and the minds of FOX News contributors.
What torture does is make it less likely that the enemy will surrender. Previous to this practice being open knowledge people believed that the US would never torture. This caused almost the entire Iraqi army to surrender to us in the first Gulf Conflict. Shoot, sometimes they actually surrendered to television crews that weren't even in the military.
Nowadays, do you think that would happen? I certainly wouldn't surrender to a group who were going to torture me unless it was the absolute last resort.
Nowadays, do you think that would happen? I certainly wouldn't surrender to a group who were going to torture me unless it was the absolute last resort.