Natural rights and libertarianism

[USFREEDOM911]

If you don't know the difference between an individual starving and the children of an individual starving I don't see how we can discuss anything.

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[SmarterthanYou]

Following the word "natural" I wrote "nature's way" in brackets. It is inherent in all living species to protect and provide for their offspring. There is nothing more "natural".

and yet, if it comes down to actual survival, many species commit infanticide.

 

[apple0154]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piEsCIKixtE

It's not hair splitting.

Here's an example of the difference. It is not unusual for a woman to remain in a relationship and suffer abuse, for years, but leave if the man starts to abuse the children.

 

[apple0154]

and yet, if it comes down to actual survival, many species commit infanticide.

Yes, during times of famine they may commit infanticide, however, is it simply so they can survive or do they realize their offspring will ultimately starve to death along with themselves resulting in an extinction of the species?

 

[Lao Tse]

He must expend effort to procure them and doing so gives him a right to them..

So if someone expends effort building a rocket ship with nasa, he has a right to that rocket ship?

 

[Timshel]

Yes, during times of famine they may commit infanticide, however, is it simply so they can survive or do they realize their offspring will ultimately starve to death along with themselves resulting in an extinction of the species?

It is so they can survive. Do you honestly believe that animals are thinking about the continuation of the species? It may well serve an evolutionary function, but that is not what motivates the animal.

 

[Timshel]

So if someone expends effort building a rocket ship with nasa, he has a right to that rocket ship?

That would be between him and NASA. He does not have the right to use the capital or materials provided by NASA.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

It's not hair splitting.

Here's an example of the difference. It is not unusual for a woman to remain in a relationship and suffer abuse, for years, but leave if the man starts to abuse the children.

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[Lao Tse]

That would be between him and NASA. He does not have the right to use the capital or materials provided by NASA.

So you have a right to the fruits of your labor if you own the means of production. But then how do you own the means of production?