Alik Bahshi
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Everything is correct! It is Netanhu who initiated the war.
Netanyahu's new intrigue and its consequences
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Everything is correct! It is Netanhu who initiated the war.
Tell me, what do you know of the Gatestone Institute? Until I did a bit of research, I knew nothing myself. After a quick search for reviews, here's what I found out from Media Bias/Fact Check:
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Detailed Report
Reasoning: Propaganda, Conspiracy, Poor Sourcing, Lack of Transparency, False Information, Hate
Bias Rating: EXTREME RIGHT
Factual Reporting: MIXED
Country: USA
Press Freedom Rating: MOSTLY FREE
Media Type: Organization/Foundation
Traffic/Popularity: Medium Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY
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Full review:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/gatestone-institute/
Here's a bit from its Wikipedia article:
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Anti-Muslim bias
The Gatestone Institute has been frequently described as anti-Muslim,[d][8] regularly publishes false reports to stoke anti-Muslim fears,[20][4] and has published false stories pertaining to Muslims and Islam.[17][24][8] Gatestone frequently warns of a looming "jihadist takeover" and "Islamization" of Europe, leading to a "Great White Death".[11] Gatestone authors have a particular interest in Germany and Sweden, and frequently criticize leaders such as Macron and Merkel.[11] The organization has been regarded as being part of the counter-jihad movement.[25]
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Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatestone_Institute
Now, I certainly don't always believe sources such as Media Bias Fact Check and Wikipedia, but the beauty of Wikipedia is that it has sources of its own. I decided to check one of its sources claiming that the Gatestone Institute is anti-Muslim. Here we go:
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JOHN BOLTON, PRESIDENT Donald Trump’s pick to be his new national security adviser, has a long association with a group infamous for its role in publishing “fake news” and spreading hate about Muslims.
Bolton wears many hats. He serves as a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute and a contributor to Fox News, and controls a Super PAC that used money from the billionaire Mercer family to help elect congressional Republicans.
But one role that has received relatively little scrutiny is his work as chair of the Gatestone Institute, a nonprofit that focuses largely on publishing original commentary and news related to the supposed threat that Islam poses to Western society. He has served in that role since 2013. (Bolton did not respond to an email seeking comment.)
Just this week, the Gatestone Institute published stories claiming that the “mostly Muslim male migrants from Africa, Asia and the Middle East” in Germany are fueling a “migrant rape crisis” and that “Muslim mass-rape gangs” are transforming the United Kingdom into “an Islamist Colony.”
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The lurid headlines, which are translated into multiple languages and distributed widely through Gatestone’s social media page and its partners in conservative media, are rarely supported by the evidence.
Take the story this week about the migrant rape crisis in Germany. Penned by Gatestone “senior fellow” Soeren Kern, the piece lists recent rapes and sexual assaults in Berlin and other cities, attributing all the crimes to Muslim immigrants even though the story simultaneously concedes elsewhere that the attackers’ identities have not been revealed by German police.
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Full article:
JOHN BOLTON CHAIRS AN ACTUAL “FAKE NEWS” PUBLISHER INFAMOUS FOR SPREADING ANTI-MUSLIM HATE | The Intercept
Well that's quite the research. You know that most sources of information are biased one way or another. But what I have noticed is that the OVERWHELMING bias in media is left/prog/democrat.
Have you ever used? https://ground.news/ Their motto is: See every side of every news story
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My father has an account with them that I can access. I did just now and wasn't that impressed. To be honest, I've never really been a big fan of the whole left/right thing. I think the poor and undocumented/illegal migrants don't deserve to be in the state of misery they're frequently in, which is a stance that the left holds more than the right. I think that vaccines are bad and that people should generally have a right to bear arms, which are stances that are more generally associated with the right.
Anyway, I decided to look at your Gatestone Insittute (GI) article again. It certainly makes a lot of claims in relation to what Iran was using the iranian embassy in Syria for, claims which I certainly hadn't heard of previously. I took a look at a Reuters article that your GI article links to, and it does confirm some of what they say. I'll quote the Reuters article on this:
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Suspected Israeli warplanes bombed Iran's embassy in Syria on Monday in a strike that Iran said killed seven of its military advisers, including three senior commanders, marking a major escalation in Israel's war with its regional adversaries.
Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps said in a statement that seven Iranian military advisers died in the strike including Mohammad Reza Zahedi, a senior commander in its Quds Force, which is an elite foreign espionage and paramilitary arm.
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Unlike your GI article, this Reuters article doesn't go beyond this in saying what Zahedi's role in the Quds force was, so I did an internet search and found a New York Times article that backs up some of what your GI article stated on him. From the New York Times article:
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How important were the slain Quds Force commanders?
Among the officers killed on Monday was Gen. Mohammad Reza Zahedi, a veteran of the Revolutionary Guards Corps and its external branch the Quds Forces. General Zahedi, three Iranian officials and a Guard member said, was the corps’ top commander in the region, in charge of Iran’s network of proxy militias, particularly those in Lebanon and Syria.
The general, the senior most commander to be killed since the U.S. assassination of Qassim Suleimani in 2020, coordinated the Iranian-backed armed groups and selected targets in their attacks on U.S. and Israeli interests in the region.
His death, analysts said, was a significant blow to Iran’s military operations in the Middle East.
A member of the Guards who knew General Zahedi, but requested anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly, said the Iranian leadership was “in shock” over his assassination and viewed avenging his death as their moral duty. Iranian state media published multiple photos of General Zahedi over the years with senior Iranian military and political officials.
Among those prominent personages are Mr. Khamenei himself, with whom the general served as a young revolutionary in the 1970s and as a comrade in the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980s. Owing to multiple tours in Lebanon, the general also had a relationship with Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of Hezbollah, the Iran-backed Shiite militia in that country.
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Your GI article says that Zahedi was "responsible for coordinating Iran's support for its Hezbollah terrorist organisation in neighbouring Lebanon", which goes beyond what the New York Times article says. It -seems- that what the New York Times article is saying is that Hezbollah is an organization that, while backed by Iran, is not actually an Iranian organization. I think Iran's relationship to Hezbollah is probably similar to its relationship with Hamas.
Bottom line though, I think it's understandable that muslim countries would think that something had to be done about the thousands of Palestinians in Gaza that are currently being killed, so I think it's reasonable to at least speculate that Iran was helping Hezbollah in its current attacks on Israel.
Lots of good research. Bravo.
Bottom line. I back Israel. I've lived long enough to see what the surrounding Arab countries have been doing to try to eliminate Israel. I don't give a flying fuck about the minutia.
Israel needs to do anything they want to eliminate the opposition to their existence.
I don't consider what Israel has done to the Palestinian people to be Minutia. Wikipedia has a good article on what Israel did to them in 1948 called Nakba. Quoting from it:
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During the foundational events of the Nakba in 1948, dozens of massacres targeting Arabs were conducted and over 500 Arab-majority towns and villages were depopulated,[6] with many of these being either completely destroyed or repopulated by Jews and given new Hebrew names. Approximately half of Palestine's predominantly Arab population, or around 750,000 people,[7] were expelled from their homes or made to flee, at first by Zionist paramilitaries through various violent means, and after the establishment of the State of Israel, by the Israel Defense Forces. By the end of the war, 78% of the total land area of the former Mandatory Palestine was controlled by Israel and at least 15,000 Arabs had been killed.[8][9]
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Israel's now at it again, only this time killing and displacing even more.
I'd say that Israeli government is currently quite busy creating a lot more people who want to eliminate Israel as a country. It's engaged in fighting fire with fire- I imagine you know how that tends to go. Apparently, calmer heads are prevaling for now, in the sense that it has not yet retaliated militarily to Iran's strike. An article on this:
Restraint or retribution? Israel faces dilemma in its response to Iran’s attack | MSN
All I can say is let them try.
My grapevine is saying that the zionists know that they fucked up....they are scared shitless of what happens next.
Alik Bahshi
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You're right! The Zionists understand that they are faced with the question of creating a Palestinian state, which was provided for by the UN decision of 1947.
They got so used to punching Iran with little fight back that they have no idea what to do now that not only is Iran fighting the abuse, not only do they bring China and Russia as their best pals (very good pals to bring to a fight)...but Iran just proved that they have escalation dominance.....they have weapons nobody in the West can defend against.
And the children of Washington are running scared.
OOPS!
IBDaMann
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It's exactly what you are doing. How many Arab Semite children do you hope bite it before the 2nd Nakba is realized? Just round to the nearest thousand.
You are the one who is deathly afraid to read the Geneva Conventions and the Convention against Genocide, for fear of being faced with the absolute immorality of your position. After WWII, the Conventions sought to eliminate what you are applauding from ever happening again. Now here you are supporting the IDF in it's pursuit of genocide.
How does your abhorrent immorality make me a coward?
I certainly hope that your antisemitic genocide of Arab Semites does not become a long-term event.
If you just want to use the word "righteous" for convenience, I won't mind.
My arrogance is incidental. Knowing everything makes me that way. Let's get back to you.
I see your discomfort at realizing that you are, in fact, cheering on the deaths of innocents. You are now waking up to the simplicity of a matter that you allowed yourself to believe was somehow complicated enough to justify an ethnic cleansing as a resolution.
I may have hit close to home, but your body won't have to be fished out of rubble.
IBDaMann
Well-known member
The Middle East values its women and protects them. The west completely devalues women and processes them into whores.
I visited Israel with my brother and parents for about a month when I was 16 years old.
It was 2 years after the 6 day war. I know back then they were a tough bunch who did not seem to be scared.
Why though? Even all jews aren't for this continued bloodshed. Some examples:
https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/
Six Israeli/Palestinian Peace Projects Active Since October 7 | momentmag.com
Quoting from the second link:
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Just as with the proverbial tree, the best time to work for peace in the Middle East was 25 years ago. The second best time? Today.
Despite the horrors of October 7 and Israel’s subsequent invasion of Gaza, many Israelis and Palestinians remain committed to working together and building the relationships necessary for peaceful coexistence. “It’s hard. And it takes a long time,” says Ittay Flescher, an Australia-born Jew living in Jerusalem. “But if you want peace in 20 years, you’ve got to start working on it now.”
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And what Trump was able to do with the Abraham Accord was one of the best starts for peace in decades. The media buried any reporting of it. Trump was given ZERO credit for it outside of his supporters. AND...when O-Biden got in, everything they did was to sabotage any gains made by Trump, the same as they did to our Southern border.
The O-Biden administration is the worst, most evil government I've witnessed in the USA in my lifetime. That life starts in the Eisenhower administration.
Biden was certainly a disappointment for me. I had never supported him in the 2020 primaries, I'd wanted Bernie to win, but that didn't happen. I figured at the time of the 2020 elections that at least he'd be better than Trump having a second term, but now I'm not so sure.
Anyway, I'm glad that you do believe in some peace initiatives. Let me quote one of the 6 projects mentioned in the momentmag.com article I quoted earlier, let me know what you think:
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Sulha Peace Project fosters relationships between Israelis and Palestinians
Created during the Second Intifada in 2000, the Sulha Peace Project is dedicated to creating meaningful encounters and friendships between Israelis and Palestinians. The organization’s inspiration comes from a process of mediation called Sulha, which is derived from the Arabic word sulh, meaning “to make peace.” There are four main parts of sulha mediation: forgiveness, reconciliation, ritual and honor; the Sulha Peace Project meetings all contain the spirit of sulha. Their programs include tribal fires, which bring Israelis and Palestinians together for listening circles and shared prayer; the Sulhita program, which allows Israelis and Palestinians to experience a nature getaway together; and the 20-30’s program, which addresses the growing tension among younger Israelis and Palestinians by bringing both cultures together for professional training and project-based learning. Since October 7 the Sulha Peace Project has continued their work. “This is our sixth meeting since the beginning of the war and yesterday we talked about fear,” the group posted to Facebook in November.“We shared the fears we walk with and found ways to convert them into power.”
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Full article:
Six Israeli/Palestinian Peace Projects Active Since October 7 | momentmag.com
Alik Bahshi
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With each passing day of the war in Gaza, the number of surviving hostages is decreasing. Moreover, Israeli soldiers are also dying, and it will be sad if the state of Palestine eventually emerges, as Hamas wants.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
Now THAT is an interesting take that I have NOT seen anywhere in the media!