New Libertarian Republican stance on 2nd Amendment

Timshel

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I have been won over by the arguments of many libertarians and Republicans on the drug war. They say until welfare is ended and there are assurances against spending money on rehabs, needle exchanges and other such expenditures they remain opposed to ending the drug war.

This logic is sound and so I intend to apply it to the 2 nd amendment. When corporate welfare is ended I will support the right to beararms. Also, we need to ensure no government funds are spent on Dick Cheney's friends.

Its about personal responsibility. Once gun owners take some then we can allow legal firearms. Until then we should strip every citizen of the right to bear arms.
 
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I have been won over by the arguments of many libertarians and Republicans on the drug war. They say until welfare is ended and there are assurances against spending money on rehabs, needle exchanges and other such expenditures they remain opposed to ending the drug war.

This logic is sound and so I intend to apply it to the 2 nd amendment. When corporate welfare is ended I will support the right to beararms. Also, we need to ensure no government funds are spent on Dick Cheney's friends.

Its about personal responsibility. Once gun owners take some then we can allow legal firearms. Until then we should strip every citizen of the right to bear arms.

Congratulations on squeezing so much ignorance into one post. I know you think you were being cute, but there is one problem with your post. It is built off of a faulty premise aka a fucking strawman you dumb ass.

1) Libertarians oppose the drug war. So why would they hold welfare hostage to that?
2) Name one prominent conservative who has offered that up as a compromise. And I am not talking about the made up conservatives in your obviously addled mind

Now get back to your Welfare Queen Porn, I hear there is a new issue

 
You don't like jokes anymore?

I figured if anyone YOU would appreciate that my friend. I know several libertarians who argue this very thing. I have heard them sit around tables and use it as a reason to do nothing. Pretend libertarians who have been allowed to strangle the party and movement with racist bullshit. I bet you know EXACTLY who I am talking about.

There are several supposed conservatives on board who argue this exact position and many true libertarians feel we should only appeal to them. Why? Are they any good for us? They destroyed Paul.

Now why don't get your facts straight. You dont have all of them. Quit being so stubborn, drop your mask and let's talk absent the audience.
 
They don't hold welfare hostage. They hold the drug war hostage. So that's my new strategy for the second amendment. You have never had your facts straight and you have stubbornly listened to the fake libertarians.
 
So we are all anonymous now and I guess we can discuss the political issues here. Or maybe I am nuts. Nevertheless, I am still passionate about the cause and will remain so but we have to get rid of the deadweight, just as the GOP and DNC need to get rid of theirs. I am a true liberal and always have been. I am not a leftist and NEVER have I been or will I be.

I have heard libertarians argue this condition for legalization of drugs first hand and watched as it chased away one good advocate after the other and created paralysis. I am beginning to think that was the point all along and that these CLOWNS were nothing but GOP plants. Or maybe the clown was honest and did not see how he was being played for a fool.

They say, "oh yeah, I support legalizing drugs but only after we end welfare and make sure there are no government needle exchanges or rehabs." It is bullshit and nothing but a lie.

So again I say, "oh yeah, I would support your right to bear arms but only after we end corporate welfare and make sure no government medical care is given to gunshot victims, criminal, self inflicted or those stupid enough to hunt with Cheney." I say it KNOWING it is bullshit.

We will never be rid of welfare COMPLETELY, in any of its forms. We can either push forward on what is achievable or sit around in our bunkers and bars jerking each other to pictures of Palin with a machine gun. Those who are in the second group ARE NOT libertarians. They are fat whiners. Let them cry in their beer.

We must move forward, always.

The fact is, that the original libertarians failed along with the south due to dependency on welfare in the form of SLAVERY. It destroyed the legacy of my favorite, Jefferson, though his personal writings and internal struggles on the issue were used almost verbatim by Harriet Beecher Stowe. After slavery ended, many in the south then tried to continue that with Jim Crow. These COWARDS were afraid of a free black man disciplined by poverty taking their place. They are just as afraid of a white man disciplined by poverty. They will try to convince these young white men that it's all the minorities fault and they some times succeed. But that just burns out their young idiots with hate until they turn into another FAT loser. They are afraid of losing their positions now.

Rockwell and Rothbard tried to hitch the libertarian movement to those who wanted a race war. They destroyed Paul with the echoes of their ghost written hate. They are losers and must be left to the dust bin of history. Still some remain bitter that the good parts of Rothbard failed. They agitate and obstruct and pray for economic collapse. They expect that they will finally win with a new civil war. But they will only lose for the same reasons they lost before.

Capitalism does not mesh with anti-science and hate. Every major city in the South that has any productive capacity and, soon the states in which they sit, will abandon these racist losers. Look at where Obama is winning in the south.

Move to the hinterlands and Siberia you old fat dinosaurs. That is the only place your message may fool another generation. But that won't work either.

In Florida they have passed their idiotic stand your ground law. This was meant to allow them to KILL unsuspecting young men who could be agitated into striking out at their fucking bullshit. They need guns because otherwise they are defenseless due to their own stupidity. They tell themselves that nutritional science is all just a lie dreamed up by liberals and stuff their fat faces with more greasy, artery clogging, brain killing, food and wash it all down with their drug of choice alcohol. But as DQ points out, learn...

It is hard to believe they are libertarians. Instead they seem to be Nazi morons that fell for NIXON'S gambit. They pick the losing side over and over and over again. And who do they blame, minority women, i.e., in coded terms welfare queens.

F these pretend libertarians and f em hard. Either liberty is for all or I will support taking away their guns. Either we stand up for the rights of ALL or I will join the side that WILL beat these Nazi pukes into the ground AGAIN.

Free markets succeed because they are self correcting. Science succeeds because it is self correcting. The best MMA techniques succeed because they are self correcting. The best and brightest of your children/students will abandon you and your hate because they will be self correcting.

So called champions of libertarianism and the south WILL FALL AGAIN because they are bloated idiots who refuse to accept their errors or learn from them.

People like FatNStubborn live in a perpetual state of being half cocked. He probably does not even know why that's a bad idea. If he was not such a racist he might have learned it from Burress.

"Why not throw our towels on the floor." I know the jokes. They are VERY familiar to me. Because it's just pointless. All you ever accomplish with that nonsense is to make yourself a target for those who laugh at you. I never wanted to join them, but come on. Your jokes stopped being funny because you don't get them. You think mockery and sarcasm are funny. No, it sucks. The best humor is in satire. But that requires that we laugh at ourselves a bit and accept that MAYBE we don't have all the answers. Of course, you don't get it and like so many statist you lash out. Anytime you like I will explain the jokes to you.

But for now back to my ... And a middle finger to you, you're still number one!
 
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They don't hold welfare hostage. They hold the drug war hostage. So that's my new strategy for the second amendment. You have never had your facts straight and you have stubbornly listened to the fake libertarians.

Who does?

I have never heard a Libertarian in favor of the drug war, nor have I ever seen it expressed on any Libertarian platform.

Where are you hearing such nonsense?
 
So we are all anonymous now and I guess we can discuss the political issues here. Or maybe I am nuts. Nevertheless, I am still passionate about the cause and will remain so but we have to get rid of the deadweight, just as the GOP and DNC need to get rid of theirs. I am a true liberal and always have been. I am not a leftist and NEVER have I been or will I be.

I have heard libertarians argue this condition for legalization of drugs first hand and watched as it chased away one good advocate after the other and created paralysis. I am beginning to think that was the point all along and that these CLOWNS were nothing but GOP plants. Or maybe the clown was honest and did not see how he was being played for a fool.

They say, "oh yeah, I support legalizing drugs but only after we end welfare and make sure there are no government needle exchanges or rehabs." It is bullshit and nothing but a lie.

So again I say, "oh yeah, I would support your right to bear arms but only after we end corporate welfare and make sure no government medical care is given to gunshot victims, criminal, self inflicted or those stupid enough to hunt with Cheney." I say it KNOWING it is bullshit.

We will never be rid of welfare COMPLETELY, in any of its forms. We can either push forward on what is achievable or sit around in our bunkers and bars jerking each other to pictures of Palin with a machine gun. Those who are in the second group ARE NOT libertarians. They are fat whiners. Let them cry in their beer.

We must move forward, always.

The fact is, that the original libertarians failed along with the south due to dependency on welfare in the form of SLAVERY. It destroyed the legacy of my favorite, Jefferson, though his personal writings and internal struggles on the issue were used almost verbatim by Harriet Beecher Stowe. After slavery ended, many in the south then tried to continue that with Jim Crow. These COWARDS were afraid of a free black man disciplined by poverty taking their place. They are just as afraid of a white man disciplined by poverty. They will try to convince these young white men that it's all the minorities fault and they some times succeed. But that just burns out their young idiots with hate until they turn into another FAT loser. They are afraid of losing their positions now.

Rockwell and Rothbard tried to hitch the libertarian movement to those who wanted a race war. They destroyed Paul with the echoes of their ghost written hate. They are losers and must be left to the dust bin of history. Still some remain bitter that the good parts of Rothbard failed. They agitate and obstruct and pray for economic collapse. They expect that they will finally win with a new civil war. But they will only lose for the same reasons they lost before.

Capitalism does not mesh with anti-science and hate. Every major city in the South that has any productive capacity and, soon the states in which they sit, will abandon these racist losers. Look at where Obama is winning in the south.

Move to the hinterlands and Siberia you old fat dinosaurs. That is the only place your message may fool another generation. But that won't work either.

In Florida they have passed their idiotic stand your ground law. This was meant to allow them to KILL unsuspecting young men who could be agitated into striking out at their fucking bullshit. They need guns because otherwise they are defenseless due to their own stupidity. They tell themselves that nutritional science is all just a lie dreamed up by liberals and stuff their fat faces with more greasy, artery clogging, brain killing, food and wash it all down with their drug of choice alcohol. But as DQ points out, learn...

It is hard to believe they are libertarians. Instead they seem to be Nazi morons that fell for NIXON'S gambit. They pick the losing side over and over and over again. And who do they blame, minority women, i.e., in coded terms welfare queens.

F these pretend libertarians and f em hard. Either liberty is for all or I will support taking away their guns. Either we stand up for the rights of ALL or I will join the side that WILL beat these Nazi pukes into the ground AGAIN.

Free markets succeed because they are self correcting. Science succeeds because it is self correcting. The best MMA techniques succeed because they are self correcting. The best and brightest of your children/students will abandon you and your hate because they will be self correcting.

So called champions of libertarianism and the south WILL FALL AGAIN because they are bloated idiots who refuse to accept their errors or learn from them.

People like FatNStubborn live in a perpetual state of being half cocked. He probably does not even know why that's a bad idea. If he was not such a racist he might have learned it from Burress.

"Why not throw our towels on the floor." I know the jokes. They are VERY familiar to me. Because it's just pointless. All you ever accomplish with that nonsense is to make yourself a target for those who laugh at you. I never wanted to join them, but come on. Your jokes stopped being funny because you don't get them. You think mockery and sarcasm are funny. No, it sucks. The best humor is in satire. But that requires that we laugh at ourselves a bit and accept that MAYBE we don't have all the answers. Of course, you don't get it and like so many statist you lash out. Anytime you like I will explain the jokes to you.

But for now back to my ... And a middle finger to you, you're still number one!

Congrats... you packed a lot of nonsensical bullshit into one post. I am impressed.

Your comments show you have no comprehension of Libertarians and their views.
 
I've never heard a stupid argument like that from a Libertarian (or even a republican) and I've been doing this for a long time, you're making crap up to argue, that is a straw man fallacy.

We waste big money on the stupid drug war and all it does is break up families for non-violent offender prison time, create a black market, and by extension, violent crime from those protecting territory, etc. Legalize the drugs and fight the crime. We'd have a way better effect than we do now.
 
Who does?

I have never heard a Libertarian in favor of the drug war, nor have I ever seen it expressed on any Libertarian platform.

Where are you hearing such nonsense?

He isn't. He's just making crap up. Maybe he/she saw one person somewhere whom he assumed was libertarian making this argument, but this isn't any Libertarian idea... Nor have I seen a republican make this argument... although that is a bit more likely.
 
Who does?

I have never heard a Libertarian in favor of the drug war, nor have I ever seen it expressed on any Libertarian platform.

Where are you hearing such nonsense?

Then you have never been active in the movement. Many so called Libertarian Republicans argue just that. They will support legalization once welfare is gone. They are liars. If they are going to hold hostages and wait for the nuclear option, then so will I. Again, I do it all honestly.

Stand your groud should be repealed anyway. It is a stupid law for fat losers hoping they can kill someone.

I am not even sure Zimmerman's intent was to kill. He may just be a young fool that bought into the lies. Trayvon was angry at being harassed. It's quite understandable to anyone that grew up at the bottom of the ladder. It has NOTHING to do with his race. It has to do with becoming frustrated by the constant suspicion of some fat old fart that fears the younger man who wears a hoodie, has the wrong skin color, listens to the wrong music, has a tattoo, wears his hair the wrong way, comes from the wrong family, hangs out with the wrong colored kids, is among The Outsiders or whatever fucking nightmare they piss themselves over, is looking to steal from him.
 
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He isn't. He's just making crap up. Maybe he/she saw one person somewhere whom he assumed was libertarian making this argument, but this isn't any Libertarian idea... Nor have I seen a republican make this argument... although that is a bit more likely.

My memory is CRYSTAL clear. Dano use to come on here all the time with that VERY same argument. It's the same argument Dixie, bravo and other pretend opponents of the state make. But it DOES NOT stop there.

I have been active. I did not JUST post to bulletin boards or sit around piss and moan like some. I know EXACTLY what I am talking about. I am fed up with THEM turning away well intentioned young libertarians. I will chase them away and into the arms of their true party.
 
He isn't. He's just making crap up. Maybe he/she saw one person somewhere whom he assumed was libertarian making this argument, but this isn't any Libertarian idea... Nor have I seen a republican make this argument... although that is a bit more likely.

Damo seriously, this is your board and you don't remember rstringfield and that he was a guy? Probably still is!
 
My memory is CRYSTAL clear. Dano use to come on here all the time with that VERY same argument. It's the same argument Dixie, bravo and other pretend opponents of the state make. But it DOES NOT stop there.

I have been active. I did not JUST post to bulletin boards or sit around piss and moan like some. I know EXACTLY what I am talking about. I am fed up with THEM turning away well intentioned young libertarians. I will chase them away and into the arms of their true party.

I have heard Libertarians talking about the welfare statement immigrations and drugs! Is this the argument you reference.
 
I have heard Libertarians talking about the welfare statement immigrations and drugs! Is this the argument you reference.

Yes. Many of them will claim they will support legalization after we end welfare or immigration after we end welfare. Welfare was here at the start of the nation (given to poor white folks that could not support themselves) and will be here long after we are all dead. Unfortunately, corporate welfare too.

There are still far too many white folks that cannot support themselves without it (both forms). They will never give it up and if you demand they do they get all violent and angry. I can tell you about it.

Ain't that sort of how Rockwell/Rothbard pitched libertarianism. What a wonderful plan those morons came up with. It has been working like magic. Everybody vanishes.
 
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I've only ever heard it from Webbway, and I know quite a few Libertarians/Republicans. All support either legalization and taxation or just legalization (I'm in the latter).
 
Then you have never been active in the movement. Many so called Libertarian Republicans argue just that. They will support legalization once welfare is gone. They are liars. If they are going to hold hostages and wait for the nuclear option, then so will I. Again, I do it all honestly.

Stand your groud should be repealed anyway. It is a stupid law for fat losers hoping they can kill someone.

I am not even sure Zimmerman's intent was to kill. He may just be a young fool that bought into the lies. Trayvon was angry at being harassed. It's quite understandable to anyone that grew up at the bottom of the ladder. It has NOTHING to do with his race. It has to do with becoming frustrated by the constant suspicion of some fat old fart that fears the younger man who wears a hoodie, has the wrong skin color, listens to the wrong music, has a tattoo, wears his hair the wrong way, comes from the wrong family, hangs out with the wrong colored kids, is among The Outsiders or whatever fucking nightmare they piss themselves over, is looking to steal from him.

I have been a member of the Libertarian Party for almost 30 years, and I have never heard any libertarian support ending the drug wars only after welfare is gone. That is total bullshit.

Unless you have some links showing actual libertarians espousing this insanity, I'm gonna call bullshit on the basic premise of your argument.
 
My memory is CRYSTAL clear. Dano use to come on here all the time with that VERY same argument. It's the same argument Dixie, bravo and other pretend opponents of the state make. But it DOES NOT stop there.

I have been active. I did not JUST post to bulletin boards or sit around piss and moan like some. I know EXACTLY what I am talking about. I am fed up with THEM turning away well intentioned young libertarians. I will chase them away and into the arms of their true party.

Just a hint for you, but Dixie and Bravo are no more libertarians than Darla is.
 
I have heard libertarians discuss the failure of the war on drugs. And I have heard them discuss the massive waste of tax dollars in the welfare system.

I have never heard a single libertarian say we should legalize drugs ONLY after we end welfare.
 
I have heard libertarians discuss the failure of the war on drugs. And I have heard them discuss the massive waste of tax dollars in the welfare system.

I have never heard a single libertarian say we should legalize drugs ONLY after we end welfare.

Most active and committed Libertarians would NEVER support such a thing. These are the do nothings that love wooden shoes and never go out in the sun. Libertarian Republicans OFTEN do the same thing. So do Republicans that are trying to rid themselves of the scent of old stinky Bush's.

Ron Paul is not included. Some of his former associates...
 
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