New member, liberal

Again, China appears to be doing well. And I've been looking at Germany for investment opportunities, since it appears to be an island of security in the Euro mess.

But I'm letting you divert the topic from my original point, which is that Bwarney Fwank, the most liberal congressman from the most liberal state, your state, caused the US housing collapse.

O.K., I played your game, provided ample proof of a global crisis, to which your ONLY reply is to change the subject. You may be rattling me, but are really only showing your lack of integrity to anyone reading. Thats, fine, lets go over the Barny frank thing. By your rules, you made the statement, you provide the links.

Show me ir-refutable proof, that "Barney Frank caused the housing crisis".
 
O.K., I played your game, provided ample proof of a global crisis, to which your ONLY reply is to change the subject. You may be rattling me, but are really only showing your lack of integrity to anyone reading. Thats, fine, lets go over the Barny frank thing. By your rules, you made the statement, you provide the links.

Show me ir-refutable proof, that "Barney Frank caused the housing crisis".
Don't be silly: irrefutable. That is like arguing with an atheist that God exists. They insist on a standard of evidence that is unobtainable, and is unlike that used in the highest standard of proof in the highest court in the land, required to convict a man to the gas chamber, which is of course "beyond a reasonable doubt".

Since this is an issue of stolen money and broken promises, I suggest we use the standard for civil conviction in US courts: "a preponderance of evidence".
 
That your proof, that one of your freinds is also an asshole?
My proof was the timeline video that Bravo presented to you and you ignored. Here's more proof:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs&feature=related"]YouTube - Shocking Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis[/ame]
 
Sorry, I don't do others homework.

You got any proof or not?
How much is enough for you?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVVVzEKauzY&feature=related"]YouTube - The Democrats and Obama caused the financial crisis of 08 by supporting Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and covering up their bad books.[/ame]
The Democrats and Obama caused the financial crisis of 08 by supporting Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
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[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs&feature=related"]YouTube - Shocking Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis[/ame]
Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis
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2004 Dem. coverup of Fanny and Freddie
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usvG-s_Ssb0&feature=related"]YouTube - Explosive Video, Fannie Mae CEO calling Obama and the Dems the "Family" and "Conscience" of Fannie Mae[/ame]
Fannie Mae CEO calling Obama and the Dems the "Family" and "Conscience" of Fannie Mae
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[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivmL-lXNy64&feature=related"]YouTube - EVIDENCE FOUND!!! Clinton administration's "BANK AFFIRMATIVE ACTION" They forced banks to make BAD LOANS and ACORN and Obama's tie to all of it!!![/ame]
Clinton administration's "BANK AFFIRMATIVE ACTION" They forced banks to make BAD
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and there is more if you need it.....
 
Tell ya what...you two watch my video, I'll watch yours, quiz in the morning.

She make some good points.....her 'tapeworm' analogy is generally true, generally....and her comments about fucking up pensions in the '90's makes some sense...(Clintons Years)....at about the 13 minute mark...concerning soc. sec. , and transferring money overseas....

All in all, she is a bitter women that tried to fight the system and lost and now wants to blame "the system"....

Her story about the housing bubble is generally true...and is EXACTLY what I've been saying and proving to you with the Barney Frank video....
Giving people mortages to buy houses they COULD NOT possibly afford is a liberal wet dream and is the major cause of the meltdown...about at the 17 minute mark...

Maybe you should listen to you own link and actually think about what the women is saying and pay particular attention to the timeline...when the events were happening...and who was in power in Congress and as President...

I may use this lady's words to refute the next pinhead liberal Democrat that tries to blame Bush and the Republicans for the fuckin mess you're in....Thanks...
 
Dam, didn't think you'd actualy watch it. Now I have to watch yours.

I am not seeing how it was the libs that promoted the bubble, though. Could just be one of those things we will never agree on.
 
Really? I mean friggin Really? They made 50,000 loans to minorities who had less than stellar credit, and you think that caused the housing crisis?

The number of forclosures last year alone was over one million. Similar amount the year before. You guys are out of your minds.

Next!
 
Really? I mean friggin Really? They made 50,000 loans to minorities who had less than stellar credit, and you think that caused the housing crisis?

The number of forclosures last year alone was over one million. Similar amount the year before. You guys are out of your minds.

Next!
Are you claiming someone is blaming only loans to minorities for the crisis?

The combined GSE losses of US$14.9 billion and market concerns about their ability to raise capital and debt threatened to disrupt the U.S. housing financial market. The Treasury committed to invest as much as US$200 billion in preferred stock and extend credit through 2009 to keep the GSEs solvent and operating. The two GSEs have outstanding more than US$ 5 trillion in mortgage backed securities (MBS) and debt; the debt portion alone is $1.6 trillion.

Lehman Brothers goes belly up....
Merrill Lynch sold for 50 billion...1 year earlier it was valued at 100 billion...
AIG gets 85 billion loan in rescue effort....

The Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008—passed by the United States Congress on July 24, 2008 and signed into law by President George W. Bush on July 30, 2008 — enabled expanded regulatory authority over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac by the newly established FHFA, and gave the U.S. Treasury the authority to advance funds for the purpose of stabilizing Fannie Mae, or Freddie Mac, limited only by the amount of debt that the entire federal government is permitted by law to commit to. The law raised the Treasury's debt ceiling by US$800 billion, to a total of US$10.7 trillion, in anticipation of the potential need for the Treasury to have the flexibility to support Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, or the Federal Home Loan Banks

In addition to the government conservatorship, which CBO estimates will increase the federal government's net liabilities by $238 billion, several government agencies have taken steps to increase liquidity within Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Among these steps includes:[33]

  1. Federal Reserve purchases of $23 billion in GSE debt (out of a potential $100 billion) and $53 billion in GSE-held mortgage backed securities (out of a potential $500 billion).
  2. Federal Reserve purchases of $24 billion in GSE debt.
  3. Treasury Department purchases of $14 billion in GSE stock (out of a potential $200 billion).
  4. Treasury Department purchases of $71 billion in mortgage backed securities
  5. Federal Reserve extension of primary credit rate for loans to the GSEs


[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_takeover_of_Fannie_Mae_and_Freddie_Mac"]Federal takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Fannie_Mae_Headquarters.JPG" class="image"><img alt="" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Fannie_Mae_Headquarters.JPG/200px-Fannie_Mae_Headquarters.JPG"@@AMEPARAM@@commons/thumb/d/d9/Fannie_Mae_Headquarters.JPG/200px-Fannie_Mae_Headquarters.JPG[/ame]


If you think all of this is the result of 50,000 bad loans, you are a pinhead with a closed mind.....
Seems your grasp of the loan/debt problems is limited to buying a used car....
 
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I watched your videos. The only evidence I saw was Cuomo admitting they handed out 50,000 subprime loans to minorities. Sorry
 
Really? I mean friggin Really? They made 50,000 loans to minorities who had less than stellar credit, and you think that caused the housing crisis?

The number of forclosures last year alone was over one million. Similar amount the year before. You guys are out of your minds.

Next!

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Bravo pulled this crap before. He feels maybe if he pulls it on the new guy, it will miraculously become truth...

I debunked his crap before...

Bravo said:
YouTube - Timeline shows Bush, McCain warning Dems of financial and housing crisis; meltdown
Timeline shows Bush, McCain warning Dems of financial and housing crisis; meltdown
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YouTube - The Democrats and Obama caused the financial crisis of 08 by supporting Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and covering up their bad books.
The Democrats and Obama caused the financial crisis of 08 by supporting Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
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YouTube - Shocking Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis
Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis
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2004 Dem. coverup of Fanny and Freddie
YouTube - Explosive Video, Fannie Mae CEO calling Obama and the Dems the "Family" and "Conscience" of Fannie Mae
Fannie Mae CEO calling Obama and the Dems the "Family" and "Conscience" of Fannie Mae
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YouTube - EVIDENCE FOUND!!! Clinton administration's "BANK AFFIRMATIVE ACTION" They forced banks to make BAD LOANS and ACORN and Obama's tie to all of it!!!
Clinton administration's "BANK AFFIRMATIVE ACTION" They forced banks to make BAD
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YouTube - Follow the Money: How Fannie Mae Bought the Democrat Party
How Fannie Mae Bought the Democrat Party

You post this as proof? A disingenuous pile of You Tube garbage. How can you watch that crap without realizing it is a hack job? All the hacking, cutting off of comments and editing was done for the sole purpose of slandering Democrats, not providing any truth. There is no context. Many of the comments and conversations were not even related to the subject. There were comments related to questions about pay and bonuses etc.

If this is what America has come to, this country is toast.



Private sector loans, not Fannie or Freddie, triggered crisis

Commentators say that's what triggered the stock market meltdown and the freeze on credit. They've specifically targeted the mortgage finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which the federal government seized on Sept. 6, contending that lending to poor and minority Americans caused Fannie's and Freddie's financial problems.

Federal housing data reveal that the charges aren't true, and that the private sector, not the government or government-backed companies, was behind the soaring subprime lending at the core of the crisis.

Subprime lending offered high-cost loans to the weakest borrowers during the housing boom that lasted from 2001 to 2007. Subprime lending was at its height from 2004 to 2006.

Federal Reserve Board data show that:

* More than 84 percent of the subprime mortgages in 2006 were issued by private lending institutions.

* Private firms made nearly 83 percent of the subprime loans to low- and moderate-income borrowers that year.

* Only one of the top 25 subprime lenders in 2006 was directly subject to the housing law that's being lambasted by conservative critics.

The "turmoil in financial markets clearly was triggered by a dramatic weakening of underwriting standards for U.S. subprime mortgages, beginning in late 2004 and extending into 2007," the President's Working Group on Financial Markets reported Friday.

Fannie, the Federal National Mortgage Association, and Freddie, the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corp., don't lend money, to minorities or anyone else, however. They purchase loans from the private lenders who actually underwrite the loans.

It's a process called securitization, and by passing on the loans, banks have more capital on hand so they can lend even more.

This much is true. In an effort to promote affordable home ownership for minorities and rural whites, the Department of Housing and Urban Development set targets for Fannie and Freddie in 1992 to purchase low-income loans for sale into the secondary market that eventually reached this number: 52 percent of loans given to low-to moderate-income families.

To be sure, encouraging lower-income Americans to become homeowners gave unsophisticated borrowers and unscrupulous lenders and mortgage brokers more chances to turn dreams of homeownership in nightmares.

But these loans, and those to low- and moderate-income families represent a small portion of overall lending. And at the height of the housing boom in 2005 and 2006, Republicans and their party's standard bearer, President Bush, didn't criticize any sort of lending, frequently boasting that they were presiding over the highest-ever rates of U.S. homeownership.

Between 2004 and 2006, when subprime lending was exploding, Fannie and Freddie went from holding a high of 48 percent of the subprime loans that were sold into the secondary market to holding about 24 percent, according to data from Inside Mortgage Finance, a specialty publication. One reason is that Fannie and Freddie were subject to tougher standards than many of the unregulated players in the private sector who weakened lending standards, most of whom have gone bankrupt or are now in deep trouble.

During those same explosive three years, private investment banks — not Fannie and Freddie — dominated the mortgage loans that were packaged and sold into the secondary mortgage market. In 2005 and 2006, the private sector securitized almost two thirds of all U.S. mortgages, supplanting Fannie and Freddie, according to a number of specialty publications that track this data.

In 1999, the year many critics charge that the Clinton administration pressured Fannie and Freddie, the private sector sold into the secondary market just 18 percent of all mortgages.

Fueled by low interest rates and cheap credit, home prices between 2001 and 2007 galloped beyond anything ever seen, and that fueled demand for mortgage-backed securities, the technical term for mortgages that are sold to a company, usually an investment bank, which then pools and sells them into the secondary mortgage market.

Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2008/10/12/53802/private-sector-loans-not-fannie.html#ixzz17MSCaMMW
 
Sorry, I don't do others homework.

You got any proof or not?
You must not have watched it yourself, since you can't summarize what's in your one-hour video.

According to Bravo's analysis, you couldn't have:
Her story about the housing bubble is generally true...and is EXACTLY what I've been saying and proving to you with the Barney Frank video....
Giving people mortages to buy houses they COULD NOT possibly afford is a liberal wet dream and is the major cause of the meltdown...about at the 17 minute mark....
 
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