I did tell you something you didn't know. You earlier claimed that Giuliani KEPT Bretton on from Dinkins administration, when in fact, I pointed out that it was Giuliani that appointed Bretton as commissioner.
So Guliani did not only KEEP him on, he promotted him. He murged housing and transit police under Giuliani. I should have made the distinction in the wording....my bad for assuming people would know what I meant.
The compstat system is similar to the British police PNC (police national computor) database that serves the United Kingdoms police forces.
Which does not change the FACT that Maples developed his version for NYT police, and Bratton developed a more extensive version for NYC in general under Dinkins...and Giuliani wrongfully took credit for it.
Actually I used to follow the news extensively and know that what wikipidia is saying is factual. Not quite, as the articles I presented above show. Giuliani's robust 'zero tolerance' campaign against petty crime and anti-social behavior("The broken windows" approach), Programs that moved over 500,000 people into jobs from welfare at a time of economic buoyancy,Though I think the upswing in the economy had the most impact. Since this allowed more jobs, more housing(more people moved out of poor neighborhoods) and of course, being able to employ more police which was the main factor.
The articles I presented noted that Giuliani's quality of life act did not yield the touted results, but played fast and lose with the facts, as these excerpt point out, " Thirteen percent of the total decline in crime statistics in New York was in larcenies of under fifty dollars. In 95 percent of larcenies, there is no contact between the individuals involved. It is the least threatening crime. Forty-two percent of the total decline in crime under Rudy Giuliani was auto thefts and the theft of auto parts. There are three different kinds of burglary: forcible, non-forcible, and attempted forced burglary. Attempted forced burglary is where you are sitting in your living room, somebody tries to break in, sees you there, and turns around. Or you come home from work, and you can see somebody has tried to get into your apartment, because somebody jimmied with the lock.
And then there's this:
Under Giuliani, black employment in city government reversed a decades long trend of slow and gradual growth. We actually saw a significant decline in black employment in all city agencies. During the greatest increase in the police department in the course of any administration, and a police exam that had produced the largest number of blacks and Latinos who passed, the Giuliani administration threw out the results of the exam as they began to hire. The fire department, where 95 percent of the supervisors were white when Rudy Giuliani took office, got even whiter. In the Civilian Complaint Review Board, which is supposed to examine instances of police abuse, black staff declined by 49 percent between 1995 and 1999. Above all, no one knows what happened to the 600,000 people, mostly minority, who have been knocked off the welfare rolls in course of the Giuliani era. Nobody knows how many of them got jobs. The workfare program was used to knock people off of welfare. People were kicked off welfare if they missed a day, if they came in late. That was the primary purpose of the workfare program, because there was certainly no training. There was certainly no job placement. The New York Times reported that only 3.5 percent of a thousand welfare recipients that it sampled got permanent jobs.
Funny thing is, I was going to say I bet that I can find a counter article stating otherwise but after reading both your links? I realize you already did.LOL The second one states that Giuliani deserves the credit.
No, it gave him credit where it was due, and pointed out the BS which outweighs actual achievement. As a New Yorker, I don't find that funny at all.
Though it is clear that Dinkins should get some of the credit, so should Bratton, and Jack Maple.
But Giuliani DIDN'T give them that credit.....he falsely credited himself. A matter of history, a matter of fact.
But it is Giuliani and the improved economy that should get the most credit.
