NewThink: ON families

[AnyOldIron II]

But in the real world, there is race, and it's so real we have to check which RACE we ARE on government and corporate forms. Then the information is used to make decisions about our future. I'll let go of the fantasy when the race obsessed fascists in control do.

People become obsessed about their 'race', like the racists over here, who claim to be pure Anglo-Saxon, yet if you trace their ancestory they aren't.

It becomes a badge people can wear.

But race is still bollocks, especially these days. We are all mixed race.

 

[Litmus]

But in the real world, there is race, and it's so real we have to check which RACE we ARE on government and corporate forms. Then the information is used to make decisions about our future. I'll let go of the fantasy when the race obsessed fascists in control do.

People become obsessed about their 'race', like the racists over here, who claim to be pure Anglo-Saxon, yet if you trace their ancestory they aren't.

It becomes a badge people can wear.

But race is still bollocks, especially these days. We are all mixed race.

Yep, just another axis along which people bond for mutual survival through cooperation, burden-sharing, specialization, and favoritism. I'm starting a group called the Misons and it's Us against the world. You in?

 

[Damocles]

But in the real world, there is race, and it's so real we have to check which RACE we ARE on government and corporate forms. Then the information is used to make decisions about our future. I'll let go of the fantasy when the race obsessed fascists in control do.

Race is a social, not a genetic construct. The visual differences are not significant in a genetic sense, only in a social sense.

 

[Litmus]

Race is a social, not a genetic construct. The visual differences are not significant in a genetic sense, only in a social sense.

But the visual similarities generally considered to "define the races" are based on genetic relatedness. In other words, inividuals of a "race" look similar not by accident, but due to shared genes. To the extent that performance is based on physiology and physiology is based on genes, individuals more closely related genetically will tend to exhibit similar performance traits. This of course, DOES NOT justify legal racism or the codification in any fashion of racial preferences.

 

[Damocles]

But the visual similarities generally considered to "define the races" are based on genetic relatedness. In other words, inividuals of a "race" look similar not by accident, but due to shared genes. To the extent that performance is based on physiology and physiology is based on genes, individuals more closely related genetically will tend to exhibit similar performance traits. This of course, DOES NOT justify legal racism or the codification in any fashion of racial preferences.

It would be better to simply make the argument that legislating "racism" is not the way to fight "racism".

The attempt to say that all people of a certain "race" exhibit similar performance characteristics was debunked long ago. There is as much diversity within each "race" as there is between everybody else. It is one of the ways that they showed that the genetic differences are minute and the largest reason that it is a past practice in anthropology to separate by "race".

 

[uscitizen]

But the visual similarities generally considered to "define the races" are based on genetic relatedness. In other words, inividuals of a "race" look similar not by accident, but due to shared genes. To the extent that performance is based on physiology and physiology is based on genes, individuals more closely related genetically will tend to exhibit similar performance traits. This of course, DOES NOT justify legal racism or the codification in any fashion of racial preferences.

So is your hair color, build,eye color, etc....

Lets make slaves of all red heads ?

 

[Litmus]

It would be better to simply make the argument that legislating "racism" is not the way to fight "racism".

The attempt to say that all people of a certain "race" exhibit similar performance characteristics was debunked long ago. There is as much diversity within each "race" as there is between everybody else. It is one of the ways that they showed that the genetic differences are minute and the largest reason that it is a past practice in anthropology to separate by "race".

There is diversity within races, sure. That doesn't mean there aren't certain areas where the race as a whole skews higher or lower than the the other races as a whole. Is it racism that blacks are overrepresented statistically in the nba? Or are they just good at basketball? Maybe white men can't jump.

Past practice in anthoropology, current practice in modern politics and individual future determination.

 

[Damocles]

There is diversity within races, sure. That doesn't mean there aren't certain areas where the race as a whole skews higher or lower than the the other races as a whole. Is it racism that blacks are overrepresented statistically in the nba? Or are they just good at basketball? Maybe white men can't jump.

Past practice in anthoropology, current practice in modern politics and individual future determination.

Only if we maintain focus on "race". Instead of the continued focus on pigmentation, we should focus on the reason such inconsequential differences have become such a factor on society. Instead of legislating based on those same "differences" we should focus on other core values that would maintain help where needed, without regard to the pigmentation.

If you notice that the most devalued "race" is always best at certain sports...

When the Irish were the new immigrants and "Micks" were looked down upon who dominated boxing? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't the German descendants. It isn't because they were genetically predisposed to boxing, it was because it was one of the few ways that a poor "mick" with a crappy education could get "ahead". If it is seen as your only exit, you will aim for it. It isn't genetic predisposition that makes this happen, it is what they see as one of their few "outs".

 

[Litmus]

Only if we maintain focus on "race". Instead of the continued focus on pigmentation, we should focus on the reason such inconsequential differences have become such a factor on society. Instead of legislating based on those same "differences" we should focus on other core values that would maintain help where needed, without regard to the pigmentation.

So if we quit focussing on race, there will be more whites in the nba?

If you notice that the most devalued "race" is always best at certain sports...

When the Irish were the new immigrants and "Micks" were looked down upon who dominated boxing? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't the German descendants. It isn't because they were genetically predisposed to boxing, it was because it was one of the few ways that a poor "mick" with a crappy education could get "ahead". If it is seen as your only exit, you will aim for it. It isn't genetic predisposition that makes this happen, it is what they see as one of their few "outs".

It's not all socioeconomic. Africans Americans dominate sprinting because of a certain kind of muscle fiber called "fast twitch" which is fast but tires quicker.

Plus, mexicans are just best at picking lettuce. True artisans.

 

[AnyOldIron II]

But the visual similarities generally considered to "define the races" are based on genetic relatedness. In other words, inividuals of a "race" look similar not by accident, but due to shared genes.

Put me and a Flemish Dutchman side by side, I bet you couldn't tell the 'racial' differences.

Put me an a Slav side by side....

It is akin to hair colour.

 

[AnyOldIron II]

So if we quit focussing on race, there will be more whites in the nba?

Suppose it was discovered that more redheads played baseball. Does that mean we need to take action to bring in more brunettes?

Remember, we are all mixed race.

 

[Litmus]

So if we quit focussing on race, there will be more whites in the nba?

Suppose it was discovered that more redheads played baseball. Does that mean we need to take action to bring in more brunettes?

Remember, we are all mixed race.

I don't believe in taking actions to manipulate racial mixtures in any population, or hair color.

We're all individuals.