NEXT: More tax increasing benefit reduction ideas.

Chapdog

Abreast of the situations
Each week I brink you new ideas floated in regards to how we will take it on the chin to pay for Obama's spending spree. Coming from MA and having just went thru this with Obamas buddy Duval patrick I can tell you the strategy is throw tons of proposals out to the media and go with what sticks. You can prob start piecing these together for common themes to get an idea of what they are coming after.

Link to the last ones:
http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?p=731219#post731219


Here is the current:

WASHINGTON—A tough new cost-cutting playbook submitted by the co-chairmen of President Barack Obama's deficit commission has been embraced by Sens. Kent Conrad and Judd Gregg, the first two elected officials to endorse it.


Highlights of proposals by leaders of President Barack Obama's bipartisan deficit commission:

DEFICIT REDUCTION

--Cuts $3.9 trillion from deficits estimated at $8.3 trillion over 2012-2020.

--Produces a deficit of $421 billion in 2015 and $279 billion in 2020.

--Stabilize the national debt at 66 percent of the size of the economy, a level economists say is sustainable.

SOCIAL SECURITY

--Increase the Social Security retirement age by one month every two years after it reaches 67 under current law. It would reach 68 around 2050 and 69 around 2075. Raise the early retirement age from 62 to 64 on the same timetable.

--Lower cost-of-living increases.

--Reduce benefits further for higher-income beneficiaries and establish a higher minimum benefit for poorer retirees.

--Gradually raise the threshold on the amount of income subject to the Social Security payroll tax.

--Give retirees the choice of collecting half their benefits early and the other half at a later age.

TAXES

--Overhaul individual income taxes and corporate taxes. For individuals and families, scale back a host of popular tax credits and deductions, including the child tax credit, the mortgage interest deduction and the deduction claimed by employers who provide health insurance. Income tax rates would, in turn, be significantly lowered, with the top rate dropping from 35 percent to 28 percent and the top rate for taxpayers making up to $210,000 dropping from 28 percent to 22 percent.

--Reduce the corporate income tax rate to 28 percent from 35 percent, and stop taxing the overseas profits of U.S.-based multinational corporations.

--Increase the gas tax by 15 cents a gallon to fund transportation programs.

--Devote $80 billion in increased revenues to the deficit in 2015, rising to $180 billion in 2020, capping revenue at 21 percent of gross domestic product.

--

DOMESTIC SPENDING

--Freeze Defense Department salaries and bonuses for three years, and noncombat military pay at 2011 levels for three years. Double Defense Secretary Robert Gates' proposed cuts in defense contracting. Reduce overseas bases by one-third, cut spending for base support and integrate children in military families into local schools.

--Reduce congressional and White House budgets by 15 percent, freeze federal compensation at non-defense agencies for three years, cut the federal work force by 10 percent, eliminate 250,000 non-defense contractors and end money for commercial space flight.

--Eliminate noncompetitive spending bills known as "earmarks."

--End grants to large and medium-sized hub airports; require airports to fund a larger portion of the cost of aviation security.

--Cut funding for the public broadcasting.

HEALTH CARE

--Phase out by 2038 the tax-free status of employer-provided health benefits, providing incentives for people to enroll into cost-conscious insurance plans. The exclusion would be capped for the most generous plans.

--Limit annual cost increases for Medicare and Medicaid, the giant health federal care programs, to no more than 1 percent above the growth rate of the economy. This would be accomplished by rewarding quality instead of sheer volume, demanding rebates from drug companies that want to participate in Medicare and raising cost-sharing for Medicare recipients while limiting their out-of-pocket costs.
 
The plan isn't nearly aggressive enough. Any plan to balance the budget in 25 years will never actually happen, guaranteed. I like the approach on taxes (reducing rates, while getting rid of loopholes) but we're going to have to cut spending a lot deeper than that.
 
Lowering the corporate tax from 35% to 28% is a great idea. We have one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world, and I can tell you from first-hand experience that it discourages people from going into business. I started a company last year but soon found that my quality of life is much higher working for someone else. I much prefer making $55k working 40 hours per week over working 70+ hours per week, making significantly less to start, and getting 40 - 45% of profit absorbed by Federal and state government. Being self-employed is no picnic.
 
Lowering the corporate tax from 35% to 28% is a great idea. We have one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world, and I can tell you from first-hand experience that it discourages people from going into business. I started a company last year but soon found that my quality of life is much higher working for someone else. I much prefer making $55k working 40 hours per week over working 70+ hours per week, making significantly less to start, and getting 40 - 45% of profit absorbed by Federal and state government. Being self-employed is no picnic.

Our loopholes mostly make up for the high technical rate. When they lower it revenue is expected to actually go up because of the elimination of some loopholes.
 
People like you are why we'll never balance the budget, chap.

With all the news leaking out about obamas spending spree gong all over the globe and to non US citizens I find it pathetic that they would come with coffers back to the middle class looking to pay the bill.
 
Chap is one of those people that gets his new exclusively from right-wing sources and has no idea that 98% of the stuff that he is told just is not true.
 
Chap is one of those people that gets his new exclusively from right-wing sources and has no idea that 98% of the stuff that he is told just is not true.

Nigel is one of the douche bags that gets all his information from left wing sources and has no idea that his head is shoved up the Democrats ass. So he makes claims like the above rather than actually addressing the data in Chaps post.

99.99% of everything Nigel says is bullshit. Mainly because that is all he is fed, which is logical given his head is lodged up an ass.
 
Nigel is one of the douche bags that gets all his information from left wing sources and has no idea that his head is shoved up the Democrats ass. So he makes claims like the above rather than actually addressing the data in Chaps post.

99.99% of everything Nigel says is bullshit. Mainly because that is all he is fed, which is logical given his head is lodged up an ass.


SF - It is quite noble of you to defend the honor of Chapdog, but anyone that seriously remarks on "obamas spending spree gong all over the globe and to non US citizens" without any hint that all that reporting was unsubstantiated bullshit is without question the type of person that gets his or her information solely from right-wing news sources.
 
Fact of the matter is while we (we as in the working middle class) had zero benefit or gain from that massive spending spree over the past couple of years suddenly its now our responsibility to pay for it? How about raising corp tax rates and tariffs? How about Google doesn't get away with paying zero taxes while Warren buffets secretary is paying 15% of 100K. Its bullshit. While the Corp execs and royal govt employees (yes they are the same category) sit back in cushion jobs dictating our lives we indentured servants are expected to prop up there lifestyles with tax increases.
 
SF - It is quite noble of you to defend the honor of Chapdog, but anyone that seriously remarks on "obamas spending spree gong all over the globe and to non US citizens" without any hint that all that reporting was unsubstantiated bullshit is without question the type of person that gets his or her information solely from right-wing news sources.

Again... more bullshit from Nigel.

1) Chap voted for Obama so it is not likely his sole source of info is right wing news sources.

2) Chap lives in MA so he is surrounded by liberal news sources, again making it highly unlikely his sole source of info is right wing sources

3) the only reason Nigel uses the 'u got dat from right wing sources' is because he wants to divert the topic from the data to the source of the data.

4) Again, for the record, Dung is full of... well.... dung
 
Fact of the matter is while we (we as in the working middle class) had zero benefit or gain from that massive spending spree over the past couple of years suddenly its now our responsibility to pay for it? How about raising corp tax rates and tariffs? How about Google doesn't get away with paying zero taxes while Warren buffets secretary is paying 15% of 100K. Its bullshit. While the Corp execs and royal govt employees (yes they are the same category) sit back in cushion jobs dictating our lives we indentured servants are expected to prop up there lifestyles with tax increases.

Raising corporate taxes is a bad idea. Corporations are simply pieces of paper. The wealth of the corporation is distributed to its employees via wages/bonuses etc... and to the shareholders of the corporations. You want to tax the wealthy more? reduce the injustice of our current system... then push for my proposal of a flat tax with standard deduction. No other loopholes or deductions. ALL income taxed at the same rate. (wages, dividends, cap gains etc...)

Reduce the corp tax rate to zero... because again... it is simply a piece of paper. You will get the revenue from the owners.

In addition... entities like Hedge funds pay as they go. the fund sells something that gain is taxed in that year.

No more 1031 exchanges of property to continue deferring taxes on gains.

End the bullshit.

Reagan had it right. Reduce rates AND reduce the loopholes/deductions.
 
Again... more bullshit from Nigel.

1) Chap voted for Obama so it is not likely his sole source of info is right wing news sources.

Not sure the conclusion follows the premise. Perhaps this is a recent development.

2) Chap lives in MA so he is surrounded by liberal news sources, again making it highly unlikely his sole source of info is right wing sources

Perhaps you are unaware of this new-fangled creation called the "internet" which allows one to access a variety of news sources from all around the world regardless of your physical location. You should check it out. It's pretty neat.

And, as a MA resident myself, I can personally attest that it's very easily to consume only right-wing local media as well. In addition to The Boston Herald, there is a local FM right-wing talk radio station as well as numerous AM right-wing talk stations.

3) the only reason Nigel uses the 'u got dat from right wing sources' is because he wants to divert the topic from the data to the source of the data.

What topic am I diverting the discussion from and what "data" are you talking about? The reporting about the extraordinary cost of Obama's trip was laughably absurd. And to pretend that the dumbass commission report is anything other than a dumbass commission report that will end up collecting dust is fucking stupid.

4) Again, for the record, Dung is full of... well.... dung

Fargle bargle.
 
Fact of the matter is while we (we as in the working middle class) had zero benefit or gain from that massive spending spree over the past couple of years suddenly its now our responsibility to pay for it? How about raising corp tax rates and tariffs? How about Google doesn't get away with paying zero taxes while Warren buffets secretary is paying 15% of 100K. Its bullshit. While the Corp execs and royal govt employees (yes they are the same category) sit back in cushion jobs dictating our lives we indentured servants are expected to prop up there lifestyles with tax increases.


Pretending the commission report reflects anything other than the thinking of a right-wing Republican and a right-wing Democrat is where you are getting yourself into trouble.
 
Pretending the commission report reflects anything other than the thinking of a right-wing Republican and a right-wing Democrat is where you are getting yourself into trouble.

translation: "If anyone says anything that I disagree with they must be right wing or get their information only from right wing sources. Right wing, right wing right wing right wing right wing right wing right wing right wing right wing right wing right wing right wing right wing right wing right wing right wing right wing......"
 
translation: "If anyone says anything that I disagree with they must be right wing or get their information only from right wing sources. Right wing, right wing right wing right wing right wing right wing right wing right wing right wing right wing right wing right wing right wing right wing right wing right wing right wing......"


OK, to assuage you I will say that the report was drafted by a right-wing Republican and a "moderate" Democrat. In my view, though, Erskine Bowles is pretty much a right-winger.
 
translation: "If anyone says anything that I disagree with they must be right wing or get their information only from right wing sources. Right wing, right wing right wing right wing right wing right wing right wing right wing right wing right wing right wing right wing right wing right wing right wing right wing right wing......"
Would you mind disclosing your sources?
 
OK, to assuage you I will say that the report was drafted by a right-wing Republican and a "moderate" Democrat. In my view, though, Erskine Bowles is pretty much a right-winger.

From your viewpoint everyone is 'right wing'... that is what happens when you sit on the far left.... everyone is to your right.

Just like Ditzie... he sits so far on the right... he sees everyone as a left winger or as he puts it... a 'pinhead'. (wonder where he got that one from)
 
Back
Top