No bailout: Ford earns $1.7b in 3Q, pays down health care debt

Onceler said:
Yurt, it's a plain fact that Ford was run better than the other 2. At the time of the bailout, they could have used it, but it wasn't necessary to keep them from going over the cliff - that's because they were in better financial shape.

With GM, it was a question of should we let them fail, or not. They were in a much worse position.

Your links don't show at all what you're claiming they show. Anyone who even paid attention on a casual basis during the bailout mess understands the different situations those companies were in at that time.

As LR said - good on Ford for being a better run company overall; hopefully, the changes that GM has made will put them on the same kind of course going forward...
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whatever onceler, you're right, you're never wrong...ignore the facts and ignore the opinions that said ford was in the same situation and ignore that common wisdom was that they needed the bailout....but instead they slashed costs and pushed out cars that would sell....

it amazes me the logical lunacy you will try to pawn off on people in order to not admit you're wrong
 
Onceler said:
Do you & leaning have something going on that we should know about?
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why....you fantasizing about me again?

you know full well she is running around the board trying desperately to get everyone to hate me...its fucking grade school, but you support it
 
Yurt said:
whatever onceler, you're right, you're never wrong...ignore the facts and ignore the opinions that said ford was in the same situation and ignore that common wisdom was that they needed the bailout....but instead they slashed costs and pushed out cars that would sell....

it amazes me the logical lunacy you will try to pawn off on people in order to not admit you're wrong
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Yurt - your own link said that Ford had handled cost & other infrastructure items BETTER up until the point of the bailout.

Their sales were as bad, but they were in a better position to handle it.

Thanks again for playing. That was fun.
 
Onceler said:
Yurt - your own link said that Ford had handled cost & other infrastructure items BETTER up until the point of the bailout.

Their sales were as bad, but they were in a better position to handle it.

Thanks again for playing. That was fun.
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what is it your don't understand about them being in the SAME situation? they may have been marginally better run...but that doesn't mean they didn't need the bailout money

you're confused....because they were better run, they were able to slash costs and rollout better cars...gm could have done the same thing, but they didn't....hence, they should have failed

your understanding of simple economics and business is appalling
 
Yurt said:
what is it your don't understand about them being in the SAME situation? they may have been marginally better run...but that doesn't mean they didn't need the bailout money

you're confused....because they were better run, they were able to slash costs and rollout better cars...gm could have done the same thing, but they didn't....hence, they should have failed

your understanding of simple economics and business is appalling
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What you posted only talks about the SAME situation in terms of sales taking a nosedive for both companies.

And, as I stated, your own links said that Ford was in a stronger position to absorb those poor sales, because they had been run better.

What is it you don't understand about that, exactly?
 
NigelTufnel said:
Do we have to listen to this shit every fucking quarter for the next eleventy billion years?


http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?t=27398&highlight=ford
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i see...its only ok to discuss it if it proves your point

you do realize the issue was discussed over many quarters the prior years...the reason being...is the continued success or failure is ripe as to whether the bailouts were in fact needed

i know it bothers you and that must mean i raised a good point :clink:
 
Yurt said:
i see...its only ok to discuss it if it proves your point

you do realize the issue was discussed over many quarters the prior years...the reason being...is the continued success or failure is ripe as to whether the bailouts were in fact needed

i know it bothers you and that must mean i raised a good point :clink:
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What bothers me is going round and round and round without going anywhere. This thread will die and in three months Ford will have another positive quarter and we'll do it all over again (Lessin', of course, Ford shits the bed and you drink a warm glass of shut the hell up).

Ford didn't need bailout money. GM and Chrysler did. Ford supported the GM and Chrysler bailouts because the "creative destruction" following the liquidations of GM and Chrysler threatened to take down Ford notwithstanding its financial viability. Ford current profitability has little to nothing to do with whether bailing out GM and Chrysler was a good idea.
 
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NigelTufnel said:
What bothers me is going round and round and round without going anywhere. This thread will die and in three months Ford will have another positive quarter and we'll do it all over again (Lessin', of course, Ford shits the bed and you drink a warm glass of shut the hell up).

Ford didn't need bailout money. GM and Chrysler did. Ford supported the GM and Chrysler bailouts because the "creative destruction" following the liquidations of GM and Chrysler threatened to take down Ford notwithstanding its financial viability. Ford current profitability has little to nothing to do with whether bailing out GM and Chrysler was a good idea.
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oh noze...i've made a thread about it a whopping two times...

really, getting your panties in a wad over that is silly nigel...

this is still current news and is still relevant, if i was talking about this years down the road you would have a point...chillax hombre
 
Yurt said:
oh noze...i've made a thread about it a whopping two times...

really, getting your panties in a wad over that is silly nigel...

this is still current news and is still relevant, if i was talking about this years down the road you would have a point...chillax hombre
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That's interesting; why didn't you call the last part of his post "pure speculation"?

Very strange....
 
Yurt said:
i thought i made that clear already...

thanks for the note board police captain....
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You are the figurative fire hydrant and these two dogs have marked you "their territory". That's why they keep returning over and over and over. They wouldn't know what to do next without sniffing first.

Now what you call the other mutt, I'll leave up to you, but I would recommend a flea dip and de-worming to be on the safe side.
 
Yurt said:
oh noze...i've made a thread about it a whopping two times...

really, getting your panties in a wad over that is silly nigel...

this is still current news and is still relevant, if i was talking about this years down the road you would have a point...chillax hombre
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It is current news, but it isn't relevant to the bailouts of GM and Chrysler.
 
usaloyal2theend said:
You are the figurative fire hydrant and these two dogs have marked you "their territory". That's why they keep returning over and over and over. They wouldn't know what to do next without sniffing first.

Now what you call the other mutt, I'll leave up to you, but I would recommend a flea dip and de-worming to be on the safe side.
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nah...they're alright
 
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