We never wanted democracy in iraq.
The presence of 150k american troops there, and the carrot of billions in reconstruction aid, were and are intended to influence the iraqi government into being pro-american pawns.
No One could have predicted Iraq didn't have WMD...
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We never wanted democracy in iraq.
The presence of 150k american troops there, and the carrot of billions in reconstruction aid, were and are intended to influence the iraqi government into being pro-american pawns.
Like you are doing right now?
It takes a blinder to ignore the stated goal of the group you purport to "hate" so that you can take a more narrowed view that will fit into a much more "negative" view of their goals.
Seriously, take the blinder off and seek out more than what you are getting from MSNBC and See B.S. news.
Bush's sales pitch on Iraq was WMD, and I also did not "buy" any such thing, as suggested in this very thread earlier on. Now you are attempting to build up a strawman that has already burned.I never did buy Bush's sales pitch on Iraq Damo.
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uscitizen
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that was the first sales pitch. And when it was discovered that the new car had no WMD's, then came the follow up one.
And somewhere in there was the pitch about getting rid of the Sadam engine and replacing it with a new cleaner one.
sheesh.
All of them secondary. From long before it all started I have informed y'all that Iran was the goal regardless of where we were invading. The attempt was to make a domino effect, the same type we feared with communism in Asia, to replace Iran and create a far more "stable" region through our mucking.
I will continue to point out that our goal is really Iran, and when the original plan didn't work they sought other reasons, and will continue to seek other reasons to do "something about" Iran.
I even went so far as to tell you how it would look if they were planning this, they'd move another Carrier Group into the region making it three of them, then they'd begin moving in anti-missile defense "for" Iraq against the Iranians.
All of this is now true. It doesn't take much to see how reality merges with my analysis of what is happening there, even to the point of how troops are being deployed.
All of this is now true. It doesn't take much to see how reality merges with my analysis of what is happening there, even to the point of how troops are being deployed.
Which was what I said from the beginning, at least now you admit that Iran was "one of the goals".
I stated from the beginning that their goal was to create a "stability in the region" and that it was for the supply of oil that they were doing so. Actually reading what I post may give you some idea of what I am saying rather than assuming some unrealistic idiocy about Bush's "sales" plan that you get directly from MSNBC and See B.S. news.
Repeating the same inane strawman argument rather than actually reading or creating a full analysis. Thanks. You "contributed" greatly by repeating this inanity. None of us in this thread believed the "sales pitch". Now, if you have nothing to add, then don't.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
This was a botched attempt at imperialism .. as clearly laid out in the PNAC document.
All of the fake "war on terror" was contrived to build a pipeline in Afghanistan and control Iraq's oil as well as put a strong US/Israel military presence in the region.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Fake excuse # 2,015
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
That's exactly what those of us who knew better and who were not "fooled" by the most obvious bullshit lies in history, were saying to those who supported the war .. TAKE THE BLINDERS OFF.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
You, me, and the vast majority of planet earth.
All this bullshit about "democracy" is sheer garbage.
This administration doesn't give a fuck about democracy in America and most certainly don't give a fuck about setting up a democracy anywhere else.
The goal was PROFIT and POWER .. and we attacked Afghanistan for the very same reasons without any concern about a domino effect .. which by the way, is playing itself out now in Pakistan.
Damo is reaching for the bottom of the barrel trying for dig up some rational semi-intelligent excuse to cover for the all-too obvious.
If they were trying to set up a democracy, why didn't they even try to restore normallacy to the lives of the Iraq people?
Why did they seize control of the Oil Ministry as soon as they could?
Why are they demanding that the Iraqi's give up more than 90% of the control of their oilfields in a piece of shit made up in Wshington Iraqi Oil Law?
Who would be dumb enough not to know that the majority of Iraqis share the same religion as Iran, thus any "democracy" would have to go through Iran?
The goal of cowboy-pirates was to enrich their pockets .. which they did with corporations they work for seizing more profits than any corporations in history.
You are obviously not reading what I write. First off, I did not nor do I now support the "war" in Iraq. That I think the PNAC document actually states what they planned on doing doesn't mean that I think it was a good idea, or that they were even close to making a plan that would work.
I think it was flawed from the beginning, based on their hiring Rumsfeld who had already shown he was full of Phail in Viet Nam to run the US Military.
Basically I showed that such "WMD" really isn't all that "WMD" if it isn't applied to a defenseless populace, that this was not a good reason to enter Iraq and if people didn't pay attention we'd be attacking Iran before it was over and involved in a mess that we created.
It was the reason that I do not support wars that remain without a former war declaration, and will continue to do so as I believe that this would never merit such a declaration and the Senate knew it. If we simply required those who can declare war to actually do so, rather than this end-run legislation that allows for silly excuses like Kerry's (the very reason I believe that he is too stupid to run any nation, let alone ours), I don't think we'd even be over there right now.