Norwegian Terrorist Was A Christian Extremist

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/26/reminders-that-norwegian-_n_910097.html
Reminders That Norwegian Terrorist Was A Christian Extremist Make Non-Extremist Christians Defensive




Over at Salon, Alex Pareene notes that commentators of the right-ish extraction are taking grave offense at any reminder of the fact that Norwegian terrorist Anders Behring Breivik was a Christian. As Pareene points out, that Breivik was Christian is one of the more basic, unadorned and easy-to-grasp facts about the man:

Breivik chose to be baptized at age 15. He self-identified as "Christian" on his Facebook page. He thought "Christianity should recombine under the banner of a reconstituted and traditionalist Catholic Church" or, later, under a new (traditionalist) European Church.
Breivik is not an American-style evangelical Christian. He is not a "fundamentalist" in that sense. Though he does identify with American cultural Christian conservatives. And he considers himself to be fighting in the name of "our Christian cultural heritage." He supports a reconstituted Knights Templar devoted to winning a war against Islam in the name of Christianity.


Now, here's something I believe we can all agree on: Anders Breivik was not a very good Christian. And to the extent that he was a Christian, the larger feature of his personality was that he was a mass-murdering psychopath. So why try to whitewash away his religious beliefs? And why get defensive when someone makes this mundane factual observation? It's actually quite understandable -- when the beliefs of a death cultist intersect, even tangentially, with one's own beliefs, one tends to rebel at the association. It's a normal human response.
Now let's cast our minds back to May of 2010. Representative Lamar Smith (R-Texas) is mad at Attorney General Eric Holder because Holder is loath to use the words "radical Islam" while discussing the ongoing effort to defeat and destroy the death cult known as al Qaeda. Here's what I said at the time:

I'll readily admit, part of me sort of wishes that Holder would just recognize that he is speaking to a child, accede to his frivolous needs, burp him and then just move on. But it's understandable why Holder is unwilling to cast the entire matter as some epic religious clash -- a key component to counter-terror efforts is to continually marginalize the terrorist dead-enders from the larger Islamic community, with whom we have common cause. Smith would probably argue that the word "radical" does all of Holder's heavy lifting for him, but just try referring to the Hutaree terrorists as a "radical Christian group" (which they are!) and see what kind of complaints you get.Call Anders Breivik a radical Christian (which he is!) and non-radical Christians complain, just like I said they would. Nevertheless, as gratifying as it is to be proven right, it's too bad that this very obvious teachable moment with regard to the mainstream Islamic-American community will be lost on nearly everyone.

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Ok. I'm not understanding how that fits in with my OP. You don't want thanks...and I don't want distraction. How bout that?
 
It's possible, but I still don't see it. I read much of the manifesto and haven't found a theme of "kill them because Christ told us to!"

It seems to me that a Christian Extremist would be more like the idiots who blow up abortion clinics to save the unborn because Christ "told them to". The main theme of it would be where it was a command from God or Allah that makes the religion the theme of the extremism. In his manifesto he believes that his culture is worth "saving", but I have yet to see that it is because "God told me to"...
 
It's possible, but I still don't see it. I read much of the manifesto and haven't found a theme of "kill them because Christ told us to!"

It seems to me that a Christian Extremist would be more like the idiots who blow up abortion clinics to save the unborn because Christ "told them to". The main theme of it would be where it was a command from God or Allah that makes the religion the theme of the extremism. In his manifesto he believes that his culture is worth "saving", but I have yet to see that it is because "God told me to"...

They are all cut from the same cloth. Religious persecution is not even Christian based. Folks don't seem to learn from history. From the Israeli persecution of the Palestinians, to the English persecution of Irish Catholics. It's all BS. Make wrong at the global level.
 
They are all cut from the same cloth. Religious persecution is not even Christian based. Folks don't seem to learn from history. From the Israeli persecution of the Palestinians, to the English persecution of Irish Catholics. It's all BS. Make wrong at the global level.

Again, if that was the main theme of "why" I would agree, but I have to see that.

I'll use an example I used earlier.

A robber enters a bank demands the cash, but makes mistakes and winds up in a bad situation and takes hostages from the crowd.

When the police show up and start "negotiations", the robber demands a helicopter, seven motorcycles, a plastic sheriff's badge from a box of crackerjacks, three Charlie Brown tee-shirts, an apple pie, seven million dollars, a thirty-two eyelashes from an elephant.

Now, would you say he was an "apple pie extremist" or a bank robber? Maybe he's an "eyelash extremist"?

What if you found out he was an atheist. Would be be an "atheist extremist"... IMO, he's none of those, he's simply a bank robber.
 
It's possible, but I still don't see it. I read much of the manifesto and haven't found a theme of "kill them because Christ told us to!" It seems to me that a Christian Extremist would be more like the idiots who blow up abortion clinics to save the unborn because Christ "told them to". The main theme of it would be where it was a command from God or Allah that makes the religion the theme of the extremism. In his manifesto he believes that his culture is worth "saving", but I have yet to see that it is because "God told me to"...



Who said he did it because his invisible friend told him to?


The fact is that he did it.


The fact is that he says he is a Christian.


Quit trying to move the goal posts.


He is a conservative killer who also says he's a Christian.


You don't get to pretend he's not a Christian because he didn't say Christ told him to kill.
 
They are all cut from the same cloth. Religious persecution is not even Christian based. Folks don't seem to learn from history. From the Israeli persecution of the Palestinians, to the English persecution of Irish Catholics. It's all BS. Make wrong at the global level.

The Israeli's don't hate the Palestinians for religious reasons, as a large minority of them are Christian rather than Muslims. Its all about the land they are living on. Likewise, the English persecution of Ireland began before Henry VIII and the rise of the Anglican Club, back when both countries were solidly Catholic.
 
Again, if that was the main theme of "why" I would agree, but I have to see that.

I'll use an example I used earlier.

A robber enters a bank demands the cash, but makes mistakes and winds up in a bad situation and takes hostages from the crowd.

When the police show up and start "negotiations", the robber demands a helicopter, seven motorcycles, a plastic sheriff's badge from a box of crackerjacks, three Charlie Brown tee-shirts, an apple pie, seven million dollars, a thirty-two eyelashes from an elephant.

Now, would you say he was an "apple pie extremist" or a bank robber? Maybe he's an "eyelash extremist"?

What if you found out he was an atheist. Would be be an "atheist extremist"... IMO, he's none of those, he's simply a bank robber.

What I take from it is everybody claiming to be a Christian, ain't. Period.

Folks like that, and a whole bunch up in here, give "real Christians" a bad name. Everybody claiming to be American ain't. There is a whole bunch of folks "lying" about a lot.
 
What I take from it is everybody claiming to be a Christian, ain't. Period.

Folks like that, and a whole bunch up in here, give "real Christians" a bad name. Everybody claiming to be American ain't. There is a whole bunch of folks "lying" about a lot.

While that would be true, I really have no way to judge individuals because first I don't know them well enough and second I am not a Christian.
 
While that would be true, I really have no way to judge individuals because first I don't know them well enough and second I am not a Christian.
Well, I happen to be one. And I'm a pretty good judge of what it should look like.
 
The Israeli's don't hate the Palestinians for religious reasons, as a large minority of them are Christian rather than Muslims. Its all about the land they are living on. Likewise, the English persecution of Ireland began before Henry VIII and the rise of the Anglican Club, back when both countries were solidly Catholic.

Christians comprise less than 4% of Palestinian Arabs living within the borders of former Mandate Palestine today. They are approximately 4% of the West Bank population, less than 1% in Gaza, and nearly 10% of Israel's Palestinian Arabs...




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Christians




"a large minority"....:lolup:




PS, Hope, the "mandate" referred to isn't the one you're hoping for....
 
Mark 12:17 "Well, then," Jesus said, "give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and give to God what belongs to God." His reply completely amazed them.
 
Mark 12:17 "Well, then," Jesus said, "give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and give to God what belongs to God." His reply completely amazed them.



Are those his words? I don't see "smaller government". You're weak and pathetic.
 
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