Nothing changes with the left.....
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Oh yeah, they did old man Bush that way too. Same silly old play book. Over and over and over again. Any takers on if they do Vance the same way? You KNOW they will. These people are not only stupid,..........they are fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuukkking stupid!
They are hateful and evil...
You do realize that people say Owls age have been carrying signs that had Goldwater depicted as Hitler, Nixon as Hitler, Reagan as Hitler, Bush 1 as Hitler, Bush 2 as Hitler, and Trump as Hitler, any many more as well. Oh, and the signs with those same people with blood dripping out of their mouths too,...that old oldie but goodie! LMAO!! Been doing it for like SIXTY YEARS now! They just cant seem to dream up a new schtick no matter how many times in a row they were dead WRONG! 
That day is getting further and further away. Both parties are running away from libertarianism, fast.
I am a social libertarian. Economic liberal.
No you aren't. Every single social issue you immediately fall onto the side of "there ought to be a law" rather than the side of "the government has no business in that". You are a social leftist and an economic leftist. When we spoke of gay marriage back in the day, for example, every "solution" you provided involved the government blessing the marriage rather than getting government out of regulating personal relationships in which they had no business.
I remember asking you, "Where is the victim?" Which is the first question that a social libertarian would ask. If I can find a victim (underage kids being forced into marriage, for instance) then it is government business... If I cannot (two men, three men, four men, more men want to get married and nobody is going into it without all the information) then the government has no business regulating it... THAT is social libertarianism... what you are is leftist through and through but want to say you are social "libertarian"... I've never once heard you call for less government.
Anyway, the republicans will always call every single Democrat running, whether they are more conservative or middle grounders "Socialists" and compare them to Stalin... and put their images into "Che Guevara" style t-shirt images. It isn't like they aren't stuck in the same old as much as the leftists. Whoever it is, right up until the moment they are chosen, may be "a conservative Democrat" but right after they are the nominee they will be the "most liberal candidate ever, a true socialist through and through"...
To answer my own question, the Right is different. It's worse. Both sides tend to oversimplify in their criticisms. Which side then is the simpler to begin with, making oversimplifying a shorter distance to travel. The Right is simpler, always has been. For every Rightwing writer there are a dozen or more Leftist writers. The Right is more likely to act quickly, the Left more likely to temporize over competing considerations. So it has always been with the current Administration being an excellent example.
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Yeah - the OP doesn't really talk about the bolded. It's a good point, though.
AProudLefty
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Nothing changes with the right.
The GOP is the party for plutocracy.
I believe marriage should be a social contract without the Government getting involved, but a contract is necessary in some instances to keep the weaker party from being taken advantage of.
I am on the side of widening marriage, thus opening the law to expand freedom and reduce legal restrictions.
Can you give me examples of where I have said there ought to be a law?
I do believe business needs to be seriously regulated. For example, I am for legalization of most drugs, with the governments job to be regulating those that provide the drugs and educating the people.
If you believe the government "has no business" getting involved in personal relationships between gay people you are more on the liberal side of things than you think.
"Widening Marriage"...
This is an example itself. In order to "widen marriage" you are still working within the framework of laws, the government is blessing these things and from the government all things flow.
I am on the side of negative rights... The government doesn't have a right to mess in this stuff, unless there is a victim. (Always ask first, "where is the victim?") If you cannot find one, then the government's role should also be "none". The "weaker party", in what way? What exactly do you mean? Folks can sign contracts, and contract law can apply, so long as both parties are informed and there is no coercion, but that has nothing to do with Marriage.
As a social libertarian I say: The government should not be involved in this at all, unless there is a child involved as they are not old enough to give consent, or if all parties involved are not informed because then you have fraud, but a list of government approved relationships should not exist. Laws that protect victims should exist, not ones that define marriage, folks have religions for that and they can follow or not as they believe.
No, you are in error. If I think the government should "grant" them the "right" to "get married" then I am a liberal. If I think the government has no business defining marriage I am not a liberal I am a libertarian. These are different things. In one you believe that all good things come from the rights the government blesses you with, and in the other you believe the role of government is limited and they cannot mess with your rights.
So, what’s your point?
Come on, get real, the right has been equally characterizing and demonizing everyone on the left for decades as dirty Commies and MaoistsYou do realize that people say Owls age have been carrying signs that had Goldwater depicted as Hitler, Nixon as Hitler, Reagan as Hitler, Bush 1 as Hitler, Bush 2 as Hitler, and Trump as Hitler, any many more as well. Oh, and the signs with those same people with blood dripping out of their mouths too,...that old oldie but goodie! LMAO!! Been doing it for like SIXTY YEARS now! They just cant seem to dream up a new schtick no matter how many times in a row they were dead WRONG!
As I told you before, and obviously you didn’t listen, you got to get out more, a lot more
Not suggesting you're a liberal, rather that your libertarian-ism, if you mean it, is closer to liberalism than it is to the Rightwing attitudes often seen on this forum.