Nothing changes with the left.....

Damocles said:
"Widening Marriage"...

This is an example itself. In order to "widen marriage" you are still working within the framework of laws, the government is blessing these things and from the government all things flow.

I am on the side of negative rights... The government doesn't have a right to mess in this stuff, unless there is a victim. (Always ask first, "where is the victim?") If you cannot find one, then the government's role should also be "none". The "weaker party", in what way? What exactly do you mean? Folks can sign contracts, and contract law can apply, so long as both parties are informed and there is no coercion, but that has nothing to do with Marriage.

As a social libertarian I say: The government should not be involved in this at all, unless there is a child involved as they are not old enough to give consent, or if all parties involved are not informed because then you have fraud, but a list of government approved relationships should not exist. Laws that protect victims should exist, not ones that define marriage, folks have religions for that and they can follow or not as they believe.
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Yes, working within the framework of laws to open them up and make them less restrictive is toward Liberaltarianism. We will not make this progress instantly. It is moving more toward less law, and more freedom.

The victim in getting rid of marriage is the person who accepts it in a traditional perspective, as many Americans are taught by history tradition and religion but marries a person who will later take advantage of this naive perspective. I am not against making marriage 100% outside structured law and within the laws of Contracts, but doing it today would be disastrous to the poor and uneducated. It needs to progress slowly along with culture.

We need laws that protect someone who left all the finances to a partner who became the sole breadwinner and when the relationship soured would leave with the advantages the naive partner gave them.
 
martin said:
Not suggesting you're a liberal, rather that your libertarian-ism, if you mean it, is closer to liberalism than it is to the Rightwing attitudes often seen on this forum.
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My libertarianism is exactly that. I do not like the republican version where the government gets to tell you to follow whatever religion they like best and only that one either. If the government is defining marriage it is way outside of its mandate and Americans are way too complacent in allowing them this kind of power over their lives. Each person needs to follow their own religion, the government shouldn't be participating in that in any way. IMHO, it violates the first to have them making laws that follow the majority religion... Those laws are in respect to the Establishment of Religion... And Congress shall make no laws in that aspect.
 
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Stone said:
Oh yeah, they did old man Bush that way too.
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RB 60 said:
They are hateful and evil...
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Damocles said:
Some day there will be a more libertarian leaning republican as the nominee and they will still give her/him a Hitler-stache and call her/him "fascist"..
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If the disgusting assholes of the American right would just stop being such jerkoffs, I suspect the American left would stop referring to them as a bunch of jerkoff assholes. But since there seems to be such an infinitesimally small chance of that happening, it makes sense that the left remind the right of what they are.

And, I might add, they are a bunch of crybabies constantly crying, "Mommy, make them stop."

Jesus H. Christ. The American right is getting exactly what it deserves. If you asshole jerkoffs had any class at all, you would stop your whimpering and sobbing...and just say, "THANK YOU."
 
Damocles said:
My libertarianism is exactly that. I do not like the republican version where the government gets to tell you to follow whatever religion they like best and only that one either. If the government is defining marriage it is way outside of its mandate and Americans are way too complacent in allowing them this kind of power over their lives. Each person needs to follow their own religion, the government shouldn't be participating in that in any way. IMHO, it violates the first to have them making laws that follow the majority religion... Those laws are in respect to the Establishment of Religion... And Congress shall make no laws in that aspect.
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Nice, except that marriage is defined in law and therefore is a product of government.
 
Damocles said:
Marriage is defined in law in support of that defined in religion. That it has been "defined a long time" does not change that.
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Marriage is both a religious / social thing and a government one supported in law. It's the former because those who enter into one agree between themselves to do so, and in a religious marriage do so in accordance with their religion. The government gets involved because it's also a contractual issue between two parties making it fall under civil law.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Marriage is both a religious / social thing and a government one supported in law. It's the former because those who enter into one agree between themselves to do so, and in a religious marriage do so in accordance with their religion. The government gets involved because it's also a contractual issue between two parties making it fall under civil law.
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Keep out of Marriage, don't issue licenses, and handle the rest without government blessings and you will find agreement with me. This "Social Construct" was built on the definition of marriage you find in the religions followed. The government does not need to be in this for anything other than splitting up property when they split. This license crap and defining marriage and between "only two" and previously between a "man and a woman" (imagine trying to respect that nowadays with everyone deciding their 'gender' by how they feel on that particular day)...

Just saying "it is social too" doesn't make it something the government should weigh in on. Where is the victim? Begin there. And when you do not find one give me a compelling reason that the government needs to define how your relationships work in some way that doesn't violate the 1st.

Now Divorce... There's something the government should be wading into... who gets what property... how do we divide this... Is there a victim? Yeah, in that you can likely find one.
 
Ross Dolan said:
If the disgusting assholes of the American right would just stop being such jerkoffs, I suspect the American left would stop referring to them as a bunch of jerkoff assholes. But since there seems to be such an infinitesimally small chance of that happening, it makes sense that the left remind the right of what they are.

And, I might add, they are a bunch of crybabies constantly crying, "Mommy, make them stop."

Jesus H. Christ. The American right is getting exactly what it deserves. If you asshole jerkoffs had any class at all, you would stop your whimpering and sobbing...and just say, "THANK YOU."
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Yep....we got exactly what we DESERVED....we run the country now. All of it....lol
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Stone said:
You do realize that people say Owls age have been carrying signs that had Goldwater depicted as Hitler, Nixon as Hitler, Reagan as Hitler, Bush 1 as Hitler, Bush 2 as Hitler, and Trump as Hitler, any many more as well. Oh, and the signs with those same people with blood dripping out of their mouths too,...that old oldie but goodie! LMAO!! Been doing it for like SIXTY YEARS now! They just cant seem to dream up a new schtick no matter how many times in a row they were dead WRONG! :ROFLMAO:
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They never need to be right, they only need to hate America and the divine. In my opinion, that's all it takes to get complete and total allegiance of libtards. The good news, we seem to be going through a bit of a revival, especially with the youngins. As we witnessed in the last election, democrats are shedding the young vote along with every other demographic. American hating nihilist drones are on the decline.
 
Tobytone said:
They never need to be right, they only need to hate America and the divine. In my opinion, that's all it takes to get complete and total allegiance of libtards. The good news, we seem to be going through a bit of a revival, especially with the youngins. As we witnessed in the last election, democrats are shedding the young vote along with every other demographic. American hating nihilist drones are on the decline.
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Yep,....I noticed it some in 2020 with the young switching over,.....but 2024 was the big leap. The young are very disillusioned with the way things have been in the last couple of decades. They work a lot of hours for not much, can barely pay their rent let alone own their own home....cant even afford to have a semi decent life even. We have to change that. The American dream has to be worth fighting for, not unattainable. Give them a real reason to try,.......and they will. They have to be able to SEE the opportunity and feel it is within their grasp. If we can do that,....the country will take off like a rocket ship.
 
Damocles said:
Some day there will be a more libertarian leaning republican as the nominee and they will still give her/him a Hitler-stache and call her/him "fascist"...
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As we are told that the R party before Trump was so much better some of is remember that they called Bush the Younger and Romney Hitler as well.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
As we are told that the R party before Trump was so much better some of is remember that they called Bush the Younger and Romney Hitler as well.
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Yep.....all the way back to Goldwater. Has intensified with each nominee ever since. Every R nominee is a blood thirsty Hitler wanna be war mongering Fascist. Same old song and dance every four years.
 
Or devil horns with blood dripping out of her mouth. I've seen that little diddy quite a few times in the last 60 years too. " Remember folks,.....a vote for Aunt Bee is a vote for Fascism!" :rolleyes:
 
Just wait till 28. The left has every intention of nominating a guy who takes in the ass. Can you even imagine? LMAO!!!! If they thought they got their asses kicked this time just wait till they run little mayor Petey Bootyjuice! Shades of Reagan/Mondale in 84!

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Stone said:
Yep,....I noticed it some in 2020 with the young switching over,.....but 2024 was the big leap. The young are very disillusioned with the way things have been in the last couple of decades. They work a lot of hours for not much, can barely pay their rent let alone own their own home....cant even afford to have a semi decent life even. We have to change that. The American dream has to be worth fighting for, not unattainable. Give them a real reason to try,.......and they will. They have to be able to SEE the opportunity and feel it is within their grasp. If we can do that,....the country will take off like a rocket ship.
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True that, I think we're on the way.
 
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