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The Twinkie Manifesto
By PAUL KRUGMAN
The Twinkie, it turns out, was introduced way back in 1930. In our memories, however, the iconic snack will forever be identified with the 1950s, when Hostess popularized the brand by sponsoring “The Howdy Doody Show.” And the demise of Hostess has unleashed a wave of baby boomer nostalgia for a seemingly more innocent time.

Needless to say, it wasn’t really innocent. But the ’50s — the Twinkie Era — do offer lessons that remain relevant in the 21st century. Above all, the success of the postwar American economy demonstrates that, contrary to today’s conservative orthodoxy, you can have prosperity without demeaning workers and coddling the rich.

Consider the question of tax rates on the wealthy. The modern American right, and much of the alleged center, is obsessed with the notion that low tax rates at the top are essential to growth. Remember that Erskine Bowles and Alan Simpson, charged with producing a plan to curb deficits, nonetheless somehow ended up listing “lower tax rates” as a “guiding principle.”

Yet in the 1950s incomes in the top bracket faced a marginal tax rate of 91, that’s right, 91 percent, while taxes on corporate profits were twice as large, relative to national income, as in recent years. The best estimates suggest that circa 1960 the top 0.01 percent of Americans paid an effective federal tax rate of more than 70 percent, twice what they pay today.

Nor were high taxes the only burden wealthy businessmen had to bear. They also faced a labor force with a degree of bargaining power hard to imagine today. In 1955 roughly a third of American workers were union members. In the biggest companies, management and labor bargained as equals, so much so that it was common to talk about corporations serving an array of “stakeholders” as opposed to merely serving stockholders.

Squeezed between high taxes and empowered workers, executives were relatively impoverished by the standards of either earlier or later generations. In 1955 Fortune magazine published an essay, “How top executives live,” which emphasized how modest their lifestyles had become compared with days of yore. The vast mansions, armies of servants, and huge yachts of the 1920s were no more; by 1955 the typical executive, Fortune claimed, lived in a smallish suburban house, relied on part-time help and skippered his own relatively small boat.

The data confirm Fortune’s impressions. Between the 1920s and the 1950s real incomes for the richest Americans fell sharply, not just compared with the middle class but in absolute terms. According to estimates by the economists Thomas Piketty and Emmanuel Saez, in 1955 the real incomes of the top 0.01 percent of Americans were less than half what they had been in the late 1920s, and their share of total income was down by three-quarters.

Today, of course, the mansions, armies of servants and yachts are back, bigger than ever — and any hint of policies that might crimp plutocrats’ style is met with cries of “socialism.” Indeed, the whole Romney campaign was based on the premise that President Obama’s threat to modestly raise taxes on top incomes, plus his temerity in suggesting that some bankers had behaved badly, were crippling the economy. Surely, then, the far less plutocrat-friendly environment of the 1950s must have been an economic disaster, right?

Actually, some people thought so at the time. Paul Ryan and many other modern conservatives are devotees of Ayn Rand. Well, the collapsing, moocher-infested nation she portrayed in “Atlas Shrugged,” published in 1957, was basically Dwight Eisenhower’s America.

Strange to say, however, the oppressed executives Fortune portrayed in 1955 didn’t go Galt and deprive the nation of their talents. On the contrary, if Fortune is to be believed, they were working harder than ever. And the high-tax, strong-union decades after World War II were in fact marked by spectacular, widely shared economic growth: nothing before or since has matched the doubling of median family income between 1947 and 1973.

Which brings us back to the nostalgia thing.

There are, let’s face it, some people in our political life who pine for the days when minorities and women knew their place, gays stayed firmly in the closet and congressmen asked, “Are you now or have you ever been?” The rest of us, however, are very glad those days are gone. We are, morally, a much better nation than we were. Oh, and the food has improved a lot, too.

Along the way, however, we’ve forgotten something important — namely, that economic justice and economic growth aren’t incompatible. America in the 1950s made the rich pay their fair share; it gave workers the power to bargain for decent wages and benefits; yet contrary to right-wing propaganda then and now, it prospered. And we can do that again.
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It's funny that rates on the rich used to be above 70% (which is kind of outrageous), and people are complaining about a few % this time around that would still be in the 30's for the wealthiest.

There really isn't any foundation for the oft-repeated conservative claim that raising those rates will hurt job growth. The CBO says it will only help job creation. It's one of those things that they hope to entrench as fact by just repeating it a bunch of times.
 
they dont want to balence th budget.

They want to shrink the government until its so small and weak they can drown it in the bathtub.
 
The peopel who lead the current republican party dont like government.

They hate it and want to kill it.

They want the wealthy to run the country by shear force of the power of cash.
 
The peopel who lead the current republican party dont like government.

They hate it and want to kill it.

They want the wealthy to run the country by shear force of the power of cash.

I remember when Bush took office, and his 1st term had ridiculous spending, which countered expectations for him. There was speculation that the goal was simply to bankrupt gov't, which would force the cutting/elimination of so many of the programs the GOP has battled for years.

I don't think that's the case. I think Bush was just a bad leader. But now I hear that the GOP wants to "attack the debt," but won't consider cuts to defense or tax increases. It's just weird.
 
the masses of Rs are followers.


The people who RUN the power of the party are people like robmoney.

They see wealth as PROOF they are the best human beings on the planet.


They actaully think they SHOULD be the ones who decide what happens in the world because they KNOW best.


They are Greed soaked unAmerican assholes.




They are NOT the best people America has to offer.


That is what the founders fought for


The PEOPLE to decide.
 
Just like with teddy Roosevelt the trust buster, America is better off when many have the opportunity rather than a chosen few.
 
Oh hells yeah.

i said right after this mess crashed to the ground that we needed to get all TEDDY on their asses.
 
What a wonderfully flawed analysis that one can only come to expect from the libtardiot hack Paul Krugman. Allow me to point out a few things the esteemed Mr. Krugman failed to point out and which the replies to the OP obviously don't know.

1) Yes, the marginal tax rate in the 1950s was much higher, BUT, it also came with deductions out the ass. Did you know that there was a time you could write off interest on a credit card? Yeah, no shit. You could write off the interest on your credit card debt. There were plenty of others which made the marginal rate pretty worthless.
2) Did you also know that the 91% marginal tax bracket is how we ended up with employer based medical insurance? Yep. How so you might ask? Well, if you wanted to give an employee a monetary raise and they were at the top tax bracket what is the point if you only get to keep $0.09 of it? What to do, what to do? Oh yeah, I will pay your medical insurance and call it a benefit and you don't get taxed on it. The business gets a tax write off for an expense and VOILA we are headed to employer based medical insurance.
3) The esteemed Paul Krugman only focuses his obviously limited attention span on federal income taxes but fails to account for the other myriad of taxes that exist today but did not in 1950 at the state and local level.

To argue that we are not an overtaxed society is ludicrous, but then libtardiots have an amazing ability to convince themselves of just about everything. Hell, they think OWEfuckface's birth certificate is real.
 
the masses of Rs are followers.


The people who RUN the power of the party are people like robmoney.

They see wealth as PROOF they are the best human beings on the planet.


They actaully think they SHOULD be the ones who decide what happens in the world because they KNOW best.


They are Greed soaked unAmerican assholes.




They are NOT the best people America has to offer.


That is what the founders fought for


The PEOPLE to decide.

that is some powerful koolaid you're drinking
 
the jealousy that liberals have for the wealthy could be understood if they were just referring to the trust fund morons, but it doesn't stop there.
 
the jealousy that liberals have for the wealthy could be understood if they were just referring to the trust fund morons, but it doesn't stop there.

I won't even defend that because they support trust fund morons like Rockefeller. They don't hate the rich. They only hate the rich that don't subscribe to their vile ideology. As long as good ole Warren talks the right talk, they don't give two shits that he doesn't walk the walk
 
We are better off without it, but the twinkie will hold on, the name and recipe will be sold and continue to be manufactured, and hart attacks will continue to kill off their market.
 
We are better off without it, but the twinkie will hold on, the name and recipe will be sold and continue to be manufactured, and hart attacks will continue to kill off their market.

Yes, we are better off without those 18,000 jobs. I agree with you. Fuck em. They deserve it. Ship those jobs to Mexico where they want to work. It will lessen illegal immigration

BTW, what is a "hart attack"? Is that like being sexually assaulted by Gary Hart?
 
I'm so old I remember when Republicans believed in letting failing businesses fail. What happened to all the love for creative destruction?
 
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