Oakland Loses the A's

cawacko said:
Sad day for the country, but especially in Oakland, California as MLB owners vote to allow the A's to move to Las Vegas. Since this is a political board this falls on owner John Fischer and the incompetence of Oakland's government.

It's a proud city and the A's are a big part of the City's history. Oakland went from having three major professional teams less than a decade ago to none today. Sad sad day.


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Which should increase their likely lifespans by quite aq bit.
 
cawacko said:
You stayed a Rangers fan once the Nationals came to town? Or I should ask, did you become a Nationals fan?
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That was a tough one. It took me a couple seasons to warm up to the Nationals but now, the Nats are #1 and Rangers #2.
Having both of them win a championship in a four year span was glorious.
 
Damocles said:
Why would any professional sports team want a franchise there now? They got rid of every franchise they had for a pickle and three pieces of lint.
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The four professional sports leagues all have Bay Area teams. The San Francisco 49's technically have their stadium in San Jose, because land is so expensive in San Francisco. Obviously, the San Jose Sharks are in San Jose. The Warriors and Giants are in San Francisco proper, but for how much longer? When they build new stadiums, the question will arise why are they using such expensive land for stadiums.

At that point, Oakland will be a strong competitor for the new location of stadiums. They have the cheapest land in the area, they have a central location, and they have a government willing to bend over backwards for the stadiums. In the past, they also had teams there already, which made placing San Francisco teams there difficult, but not anymore.

So the answer to your question is that there is every reason to move a professional sports team to Oakland, but probably not much reason to move the brand name to Oakland. The "San Francisco" 49's might move from San Jose to Oakland, but still use the San Francisco brand name.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
never heard of Olde English 800.....were they (will they be) sponsers of the Athletics?......
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It is a malt liquor sold in large bottles to people who want to get very drunk, but have very little money. It would be stereotypically drunk by Black gang members, and other people on the streets of Black ghettoes. They have a custom of pouring some out on the ground for their dead and imprisoned comrades. While most of the Bay Area is extremely prosperous, Oakland is known for still having ghettoes.

So the picture is meant to represent a gang style mourning of the loss of Oakland's baseball team.

cawacko said:
The old “tell me you’re white without telling me you’re white” adage may apply here
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That would be the stereotype. There are whites who also drink malt liquor. It is the cheapest way to get drunk, so is heavily connected to poor alcoholics.
 
Walt said:
The four professional sports leagues all have Bay Area teams. The San Francisco 49's technically have their stadium in San Jose, because land is so expensive in San Francisco. Obviously, the San Jose Sharks are in San Jose. The Warriors and Giants are in San Francisco proper, but for how much longer? When they build new stadiums, the question will arise why are they using such expensive land for stadiums.

At that point, Oakland will be a strong competitor for the new location of stadiums. They have the cheapest land in the area, they have a central location, and they have a government willing to bend over backwards for the stadiums. In the past, they also had teams there already, which made placing San Francisco teams there difficult, but not anymore.

So the answer to your question is that there is every reason to move a professional sports team to Oakland, but probably not much reason to move the brand name to Oakland. The "San Francisco" 49's might move from San Jose to Oakland, but still use the San Francisco brand name.
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The 49ers stadium is in Santa Clara. Santa Clara is much closer to San Jose than San Francisco but it’s still not San Jose. Their stadium opened in 2016, they aren’t moving any where.

The Giants built their privately funded stadium in SF in 2000. The Warriors in 2019. Neither of those teams are going anywhere.

The City of Oakland lost the the A’s in large part because of their incompetency. They could have bent over backwards to keep the A’s but didn’t. (some might say that’s a good thing).
 
cawacko said:
Their stadium opened in 2016, they aren’t moving any where.
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Actually, 2014. Stadiums are replaced every 20 years or so these days, and it takes 5+ years to replace one, so they will probably be looking for a new stadium in 5 years. And if they stay for 30 years(bizarrely long), then they are looking for a new stadium in 15 years. The point is, sooner or later, Oakland will be in the running.

cawacko said:
The City of Oakland lost the the A’s in large part because of their incompetency. They could have bent over backwards to keep the A’s but didn’t. (some might say that’s a good thing).
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Las Vegas had a huge demand for a team. Oakland not so much. It is a tiny market compared Las Vegas. None of that is Oakland's fault.

On the other hand, if you consider their market to be the Bay Area, it starts looking big.
 
Walt said:
Actually, 2014. Stadiums are replaced every 20 years or so these days, and it takes 5+ years to replace one, so they will probably be looking for a new stadium in 5 years. And if they stay for 30 years(bizarrely long), then they are looking for a new stadium in 15 years. The point is, sooner or later, Oakland will be in the running.



Las Vegas had a huge demand for a team. Oakland not so much. It is a tiny market compared Las Vegas. None of that is Oakland's fault.

On the other hand, if you consider their market to be the Bay Area, it starts looking big.
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No, brand new stadiums aren't replaced every 20 years. And the 49ers aren't moving to the East Bay. In your defense you're from Jersey right? Understandable you don't understand the dynamics here. (Corporate money is not in Oakland. There's a reason the Warriors moved TO San Francisco FROM Oakland and it's the same reason the 49ers wouldn't move from SF/Silicon Valley to Oakland. It's the reason the A's owner wanted to move the team to San Jose and then Fremont.)
 
Walt said:
It is a malt liquor sold in large bottles to people who want to get very drunk, but have very little money. It would be stereotypically drunk by Black gang members, and other people on the streets of Black ghettoes. They have a custom of pouring some out on the ground for their dead and imprisoned comrades. While most of the Bay Area is extremely prosperous, Oakland is known for still having ghettoes.

So the picture is meant to represent a gang style mourning of the loss of Oakland's baseball team.



That would be the stereotype. There are whites who also drink malt liquor. It is the cheapest way to get drunk, so is heavily connected to poor alcoholics.
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That would be a stereotype to say old white people don't know malt liquor?

People of all races do/did drink Malt Liquor. For my generation it peaked in 1991 with Ice Cube/Doughboy and Boyz N Tha Hood.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Does LV even have a stadium? They'll have to play indoors; no one wants to sit out in the Las Vegas sun in July and watch a game. Actually, most ppl who go to LV prefer gambling and shows, not sports-watching. What an odd choice of cities.
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They have a shit pile of golf courses,
 
Joe Capitalist said:
That was a tough one. It took me a couple seasons to warm up to the Nationals but now, the Nats are #1 and Rangers #2.
Having both of them win a championship in a four year span was glorious.
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You're definitely having a good time.

Random personal story. Obviously I'm a A's fan but we ended up having a friend who pitched for the Giants and was on their 2012 and 2014 WS winning teams. (My A's friends gave me such sh*t for being a sell out. - At the end of the day I'd root for my friend but F the Giants.)

In the 2014 playoffs the Giants beat the Nationals. Well, I got a wrist band (I wasn't supposed to) which allowed me into the locker room after the series clinching victory. So I'm in there with Bochey and everyone throwing champagne and the whole nine yards (I actually later did get reprimanded for being in there but ultimately it was worth the experience).

You talking about the Nationals brought back that memory and made me go look at the photos I took while in the locker room.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Does LV even have a stadium? They'll have to play indoors; no one wants to sit out in the Las Vegas sun in July and watch a game. Actually, most ppl who go to LV prefer gambling and shows, not sports-watching. What an odd choice of cities.
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Piggybacking on my previous response Vegas is actually a huge sports town. It hosts numerous college tournaments. It's about to host the Super Bowl. It's on the list of cities for NBA expansion and LeBron James has spoken of wanting to be an owner of the Las Vegas expansion team if they get one (when his playing days are done).

The City obviously exists on tourism; shows, events, concerts, food and sports. Whatever brings more people to the City they support. Football is a no brainer. You can imagine people in other NFL cities who think 'our team is playing in Las Vegas this weekend, you know that means... ROAD TRIP!' Haha.

They also have lots of land and are willing to spend tax payer dollars to bring teams to the City. So this explosion we are witnessing is not surprising in the least.
 
cawacko said:
You're definitely having a good time.

Random personal story. Obviously I'm a A's fan but we ended up having a friend who pitched for the Giants and was on their 2012 and 2014 WS winning teams. (My A's friends gave me such sh*t for being a sell out. - At the end of the day I'd root for my friend but F the Giants.)

In the 2014 playoffs the Giants beat the Nationals. Well, I got a wrist band (I wasn't supposed to) which allowed me into the locker room after the series clinching victory. So I'm in there with Bochey and everyone throwing champagne and the whole nine yards (I actually later did get reprimanded for being in there but ultimately it was worth the experience).

You talking about the Nationals brought back that memory and made me go look at the photos I took while in the locker room.
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Wow! What a thrilling thing to be a part of. Being right there in the middle of the celebration. Did you get pictures or videos to prove to others you were there?
 
Joe Capitalist said:
Wow! What a thrilling thing to be a part of. Being right there in the middle of the celebration. Did you get pictures or videos to prove to others you were there?
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I do!! I got a picture with Tim Hudson (if you remember he pitched for the A's). I got a picture of Madison Bumbarner pouring champagne on Bruce Bochey. I have a picture of me sitting in the chair at my buddy's locker drinking a Bud Light. (I always show that to friends and say 'see, I could have been a big leaguer. Haha.) My wife came with me and she and I got a few pictures.

Like I said we got in trouble because the Giants saw the video of us in there (immediate family only). But it was an experience of a lifetime so who cares if they were mad. Haha.
 
cawacko said:
That would be a stereotype to say old white people don't know malt liquor?

People of all races do/did drink Malt Liquor. For my generation it peaked in 1991 with Ice Cube/Doughboy and Boyz N Tha Hood.
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Malt liquor is definitely a more urban... poor, alcoholic drink, where whiskey and beer would be the more rural... poor, alcoholic drink.
 
Walt said:
Malt liquor is definitely a more urban... poor, alcoholic drink, where whiskey and beer would be the more rural... poor, alcoholic drink.
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That's how it was advertised. I can't speak for the Hispanic and Asian community but plenty of white suburban kids drank malt liquor for the same reason they listened to hip hop, they wanted to be cool and connected with black culture.

I put the GIF in the picture to 'pour out a little liquor for the homies who are no longer here', my Oakland A's.
 
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