OBAMA AND HIS BROKEN PROMISE.

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Barack Obama Campaign Promise No. 517:


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Negotiate health care reform in public sessions televised on C-SPAN

To achieve health care reform, "I'm going to have all the negotiations around a big table. We'll have doctors and nurses and hospital administrators. Insurance companies, drug companies -- they'll get a seat at the table, they just won't be able to buy every chair. But what we will do is, we'll have the negotiations televised on C-SPAN, so that people can see who is making arguments on behalf of their constituents, and who are making arguments on behalf of the drug companies or the insurance companies. And so, that approach, I think is what is going to allow people to stay involved in this process."

Sources: Town hall meeting on Aug. 21, 2008, in Chester, Va.
Subjects: Health Care, Transparency

Updates:
Obama said he'd televise health reform negotiations on C-SPAN

Updated: Friday, July 10th, 2009 * By Angie Drobnic Holan
During the presidential campaign, Barack Obama said several times that he intended to negotiate health care reform publicly. In fact, he said, he'd televise the negotiations on C-SPAN, with all the parties sitting at a big table. That way, Americans would be more engaged in the process and insist on real change.

"That's what I will do in bringing all parties together, not negotiating behind closed doors, but bringing all parties together, and broadcasting those negotiations on C-SPAN so that the American people can see what the choices are, because part of what we have to do is enlist the American people in this process," Obama said at a debate in Los Angeles on Jan. 31, 2008.

The special interests and lobbyists, he said, "will resist anything that we try to do. ... And the antidote to that is making sure that the American people understand what is at stake."

We missed this promise when we first made our database, but thanks to thorough reporting on it from the McClatchy News Service , we're adding it now. (Read their story .)

The McClatchy report showed that, so far, substantial negotiations on health reform have been held behind closed doors. These include two agreements with the drug industry and hospitals to reduce costs over the next 10 years. In Congress, some of the committee bill writing sessions have been open, but negotiations are also taking place behind closed doors. That's routine in Congress. Much of the difficult negotiations take place in private sessions, before bills come to committee or the House or Senate floor.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs told the McClatchy reporters that Obama "has demonstrated more transparency than any president," but that "I don't think the president intimated that every decision putting together a health care bill would be on public TV."

Maybe not every decision, but he made it clear that he wanted negotiations, especially with those representing the for-profit health care industry, to take place in the open. We were able to find four additional instances where he made the same promise during public appearances in 2007 and 2008. And in one case, he said he'd do it in his first 100 days.

"People say, 'Well, you have this great health care plan, but how are you going to pass it? You know, it failed in '93,'" Obama said on Aug. 21, 2008, at a town hall in Chester, Va. "And what I've said is, I'm going to have all the negotiations around a big table. We'll have doctors and nurses and hospital administrators. Insurance companies, drug companies — they'll get a seat at the table, they just won't be able to buy every chair. But what we will do is, we'll have the negotiations televised on C-SPAN, so that people can see who is making arguments on behalf of their constituents, and who are making arguments on behalf of the drug companies or the insurance companies. And so, that approach, I think is what is going to allow people to stay involved in this process."
\Part of the issue here is that Obama has announced broad outlines for a health care bill — primarily lower costs and expanded access — but he has left the details of legislation to Congress. That gives Congress a lot of the power to control the debate, as then-candidate Hillary Clinton warned Obama during the Los Angeles debate. "Certainly, it is important that the president come up with the plan, but we'll have to persuade Congress to put all of those deliberations on C-SPAN. Now, I think we might be able to do that, but that's a little heavier lift than what the president is going to propose," she said at the time.

So no, there haven't been any round-table negotiations on C-SPAN. And there are plenty of questions still to be answered. To our mind, one of the most important questions will be the details behind what's known as the public option, which Obama has said he supports. It could be like Medicare for everyone, or it could be just another nonprofit health insurance plan, or anywhere in between. The details here matter a great deal, but we don't know which type of public option is likely to emerge from Congress or what specific stipulations Obama might have for the public option.

Obama promised — repeatedly — an end to closed-door negotiations and complete openness for the health care talks. But he hasn't delivered. Instead of open talks of C-SPAN, we've gotten more of the same — talks behind closed doors at the White House and Congress. We might revisit this promise if there's a dramatic change, but we see nothing to indicate anything has changed. We rate this Promise Broken.
Sources:

McClatchy Newspapers, Obama campaign vow of public debate on health care fading , July 9, 2009

New York Times, Health deals could harbor hidden costs , July 7, 2009

CNN.com, Democratic presidential debate , Jan. 31, 2008

CQ Transcriptions, Town hall with Barack Obama in Lancaster, Va., Aug. 21, 2008, accessed via Nexis

Federal News Service, Town hall with Barack Obama in Albuquerque, N.M., Aug. 18, 2008, accessed via Nexis

CQ Transcriptions, Town hall with Barack Obama in Lancaster, Pa., March 31, 2008, accessed via Nexis

CQ Transcriptions, Town hall with Barack Obama and Google employees in Mountain View, Calif., Nov. 14, 2007, accessed via Nexis

We want to hear your suggestions and comments. For tips or comments on our campaign promise database, please e-mail the Obameter. If you are commenting on a specific promise, please include the promise number. For comments about our Truth-O-Meter or Flip-O-Meter items, please e-mail the Truth-O-Meter. We’re especially interested in seeing any chain e-mails you receive that you would like us to check out.

About PolitiFact.com
PolitiFact is a project of the St. Petersburg Times to help you find the truth in American politics. Reporters and editors from the Times fact-check statements by members of Congress, the White House, lobbyists and interest groups and rate them on our Truth-O-Meter. We’re also tracking more than 500 of Barack Obama’s campaign promises and are rating their progress on our new Obameter. >> More
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it will be interesting if people believe him next election....i think many actually believed he was about change and unlike other politicians, they actually believed his promises....

now, he is just like all the others, phony promises to get elected....so what really is the change? he promised a new washington.....all we have is more of the same....
 
Just one of his many. :(

Barack Obama Campaign Promise No. 517:


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Negotiate health care reform in public sessions televised on C-SPAN

To achieve health care reform, "I'm going to have all the negotiations around a big table. We'll have doctors and nurses and hospital administrators. Insurance companies, drug companies -- they'll get a seat at the table, they just won't be able to buy every chair. But what we will do is, we'll have the negotiations televised on C-SPAN, so that people can see who is making arguments on behalf of their constituents, and who are making arguments on behalf of the drug companies or the insurance companies. And so, that approach, I think is what is going to allow people to stay involved in this process."

Sources: Town hall meeting on Aug. 21, 2008, in Chester, Va.
Subjects: Health Care, Transparency

Updates:
Obama said he'd televise health reform negotiations on C-SPAN

Updated: Friday, July 10th, 2009 * By Angie Drobnic Holan
During the presidential campaign, Barack Obama said several times that he intended to negotiate health care reform publicly. In fact, he said, he'd televise the negotiations on C-SPAN, with all the parties sitting at a big table. That way, Americans would be more engaged in the process and insist on real change.

"That's what I will do in bringing all parties together, not negotiating behind closed doors, but bringing all parties together, and broadcasting those negotiations on C-SPAN so that the American people can see what the choices are, because part of what we have to do is enlist the American people in this process," Obama said at a debate in Los Angeles on Jan. 31, 2008.

The special interests and lobbyists, he said, "will resist anything that we try to do. ... And the antidote to that is making sure that the American people understand what is at stake."

We missed this promise when we first made our database, but thanks to thorough reporting on it from the McClatchy News Service , we're adding it now. (Read their story .)

The McClatchy report showed that, so far, substantial negotiations on health reform have been held behind closed doors. These include two agreements with the drug industry and hospitals to reduce costs over the next 10 years. In Congress, some of the committee bill writing sessions have been open, but negotiations are also taking place behind closed doors. That's routine in Congress. Much of the difficult negotiations take place in private sessions, before bills come to committee or the House or Senate floor.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs told the McClatchy reporters that Obama "has demonstrated more transparency than any president," but that "I don't think the president intimated that every decision putting together a health care bill would be on public TV."

Maybe not every decision, but he made it clear that he wanted negotiations, especially with those representing the for-profit health care industry, to take place in the open. We were able to find four additional instances where he made the same promise during public appearances in 2007 and 2008. And in one case, he said he'd do it in his first 100 days.

"People say, 'Well, you have this great health care plan, but how are you going to pass it? You know, it failed in '93,'" Obama said on Aug. 21, 2008, at a town hall in Chester, Va. "And what I've said is, I'm going to have all the negotiations around a big table. We'll have doctors and nurses and hospital administrators. Insurance companies, drug companies — they'll get a seat at the table, they just won't be able to buy every chair. But what we will do is, we'll have the negotiations televised on C-SPAN, so that people can see who is making arguments on behalf of their constituents, and who are making arguments on behalf of the drug companies or the insurance companies. And so, that approach, I think is what is going to allow people to stay involved in this process."
\Part of the issue here is that Obama has announced broad outlines for a health care bill — primarily lower costs and expanded access — but he has left the details of legislation to Congress. That gives Congress a lot of the power to control the debate, as then-candidate Hillary Clinton warned Obama during the Los Angeles debate. "Certainly, it is important that the president come up with the plan, but we'll have to persuade Congress to put all of those deliberations on C-SPAN. Now, I think we might be able to do that, but that's a little heavier lift than what the president is going to propose," she said at the time.

So no, there haven't been any round-table negotiations on C-SPAN. And there are plenty of questions still to be answered. To our mind, one of the most important questions will be the details behind what's known as the public option, which Obama has said he supports. It could be like Medicare for everyone, or it could be just another nonprofit health insurance plan, or anywhere in between. The details here matter a great deal, but we don't know which type of public option is likely to emerge from Congress or what specific stipulations Obama might have for the public option.

Obama promised — repeatedly — an end to closed-door negotiations and complete openness for the health care talks. But he hasn't delivered. Instead of open talks of C-SPAN, we've gotten more of the same — talks behind closed doors at the White House and Congress. We might revisit this promise if there's a dramatic change, but we see nothing to indicate anything has changed. We rate this Promise Broken.
Sources:

McClatchy Newspapers, Obama campaign vow of public debate on health care fading , July 9, 2009

New York Times, Health deals could harbor hidden costs , July 7, 2009

CNN.com, Democratic presidential debate , Jan. 31, 2008

CQ Transcriptions, Town hall with Barack Obama in Lancaster, Va., Aug. 21, 2008, accessed via Nexis

Federal News Service, Town hall with Barack Obama in Albuquerque, N.M., Aug. 18, 2008, accessed via Nexis

CQ Transcriptions, Town hall with Barack Obama in Lancaster, Pa., March 31, 2008, accessed via Nexis

CQ Transcriptions, Town hall with Barack Obama and Google employees in Mountain View, Calif., Nov. 14, 2007, accessed via Nexis

We want to hear your suggestions and comments. For tips or comments on our campaign promise database, please e-mail the Obameter. If you are commenting on a specific promise, please include the promise number. For comments about our Truth-O-Meter or Flip-O-Meter items, please e-mail the Truth-O-Meter. We’re especially interested in seeing any chain e-mails you receive that you would like us to check out.

About PolitiFact.com
PolitiFact is a project of the St. Petersburg Times to help you find the truth in American politics. Reporters and editors from the Times fact-check statements by members of Congress, the White House, lobbyists and interest groups and rate them on our Truth-O-Meter. We’re also tracking more than 500 of Barack Obama’s campaign promises and are rating their progress on our new Obameter. >> More
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Lame. Seven promises broken, a little over 1%. What about the rest?

Tracking Obama’s promises
55
Promise Kept

14
Compromise
7
Promise Broken

17
Stalled
156
In the Works
266
Not yet rated

PolitiFact will be tracking Barack Obama’s promises during his presidency and will be rating the progress of each one. >>more
 
One broken promise is too much, unless there is a pretty damn good reason. These were promises to get the votes and he had no intention of carrying them out. In other words, he is a dishonest liar and can never be trusted, no matter what he says.

Lame. Seven promises broken, a little over 1%. What about the rest?

Tracking Obama’s promises
55
Promise Kept

14
Compromise
7
Promise Broken

17
Stalled
156
In the Works
266
Not yet rated

PolitiFact will be tracking Barack Obama’s promises during his presidency and will be rating the progress of each one. >>more
 
for any president, one broken promise means his 'word' is no good. It's also why there hasn't been a president in my lifetime that I trust.

Using your standard, no president in anybody's lifetime could be trusted.

Take into account human fallibility along with political expedience and they're all losers.
 
One broken promise is too much, unless there is a pretty damn good reason. These were promises to get the votes and he had no intention of carrying them out. In other words, he is a dishonest liar and can never be trusted, no matter what he says.

Pretty harsh, considering that we just came off eight years of lies, damned lies, phony statistics and broken promises from "he who shall not be named".

Before you say it, no, I don't think Obama should have made a promise he couldn't keep. But at least have the honesty to admit it's true of all politicians.

http://www.bushlies.net/
 
Fair enough. Using your words ("for any president, one broken promise means his 'word' is no good") let me restate: can any president be trusted not to break a campaign promise?

and let me restate: "don't make promises you have no chance of keeping or might be politically difficult to keep later on."
 
Tracking Obama’s promises
55
Promise Kept

14
Compromise
7
Promise Broken

17
Stalled
156
In the Works
266
Not yet rated

PolitiFact will be tracking Barack Obama’s promises during his presidency and will be rating the progress of each one. >>more
Have you looked at what these twits consider a "promise kept"?

Credit card bill of rights. Yea, they passed something, to take effect a year later, with no provisions for what CC companies are doing in the mean time (ie: getting their rate raises in, redefining high risk rates to bypass that portion of the bill, etc.)

Got the bill passed, yes, But did NOTHING real in protecting people from vapid credit card practices. By the time it takes effect, standard rates will be close to or above 20% (standard rates were 14% before the bill was passed), high risk rates will be close to 35%, and ALL current debt will be subject to the new rates. (And if you think they didn't know giving the bill a delayed effective date would give the CC companies a window to fuck the public true and rosy, then there is no hope for your thought processes at all. You are truly owned by the donket whose ass contains your head.)

Promise kept? No. By adding the delayed effective date, it completely neutered the legislation, and they may as well have passed nothing.


"No. 125: Direct military leaders to end war in Iraq"
Promise KEPT? How? The only thing he discussed was a DRAWDOWN of forces deployed to Iraq. In no discussion did he, at any time or in any manner, DIRECT the military leadership to END the war in Iraq. Yet they give him a "promise kept" for this item. Liars defending liars.

Promise kept? No. There has been no directive for ending the Iraq war.


And some of these other "promises kept" belong in the :gives: category.
No. 174: Give a speech at a major Islamic forum in the first 100 days of his administration
I mean, truly, :gives:? Shall we count the number of times any politician promised to go somewhere and give a speech and turn them all into paragons of truth? Talk about padding the resume with nonsense.

and yet others are in the realm of do nothing = promise kept
No. 337: Use the International Space Station for fundamental biological and physical research (plus a whole lot of others from the space program)
All missions to date were planned a minimum of 5 years ago.

The only broken promises they have listed are the ones than have no hope of gaining a positive spin, or being swept under the rug.

In short, the "PolitiFact" is nothing less than an Obama fan site poser.
 
The public is too stupid to vote for an honest politician. The public votes for he that beats his chest loudest. The public votes for a blue sky, and then expects a blue sky every day because the hack that they voted for promised to them. During election time, the guy that says there will be cloudy days gets laughed off the stage by those that support the blue skies every day guy.

So scorn yourselves you partisan hacked idiots. You're all idiots.
 
One broken promise is too much, unless there is a pretty damn good reason. These were promises to get the votes and he had no intention of carrying them out. In other words, he is a dishonest liar and can never be trusted, no matter what he says.

I invite you and everybody tracking your posts' honesty to go to Politifact, your source, and check the false column in the "Truth-O-Meter". Obama seems to escape pretty well when compared to the RW gurus and pols in the column. Your heading is misleading no? I can't under stand with the experience from the last years how you can call 7 "many". Hes a piker when compared to your gang.
 
Have you looked at what these twits consider a "promise kept"?

Credit card bill of rights. Yea, they passed something, to take effect a year later, with no provisions for what CC companies are doing in the mean time (ie: getting their rate raises in, redefining high risk rates to bypass that portion of the bill, etc.)

Got the bill passed, yes, But did NOTHING real in protecting people from vapid credit card practices. By the time it takes effect, standard rates will be close to or above 20% (standard rates were 14% before the bill was passed), high risk rates will be close to 35%, and ALL current debt will be subject to the new rates. (And if you think they didn't know giving the bill a delayed effective date would give the CC companies a window to fuck the public true and rosy, then there is no hope for your thought processes at all. You are truly owned by the donket whose ass contains your head.)

Promise kept? No. By adding the delayed effective date, it completely neutered the legislation, and they may as well have passed nothing.


"No. 125: Direct military leaders to end war in Iraq"
Promise KEPT? How? The only thing he discussed was a DRAWDOWN of forces deployed to Iraq. In no discussion did he, at any time or in any manner, DIRECT the military leadership to END the war in Iraq. Yet they give him a "promise kept" for this item. Liars defending liars.

Promise kept? No. There has been no directive for ending the Iraq war.


And some of these other "promises kept" belong in the :gives: category.
No. 174: Give a speech at a major Islamic forum in the first 100 days of his administration
I mean, truly, :gives:? Shall we count the number of times any politician promised to go somewhere and give a speech and turn them all into paragons of truth? Talk about padding the resume with nonsense.

and yet others are in the realm of do nothing = promise kept
No. 337: Use the International Space Station for fundamental biological and physical research (plus a whole lot of others from the space program)
All missions to date were planned a minimum of 5 years ago.

The only broken promises they have listed are the ones than have no hope of gaining a positive spin, or being swept under the rug.

In short, the "PolitiFact" is nothing less than an Obama fan site poser.

.....and since it is the source quoted in the original post, nobody should pay any attention because the OP is full of crap......... using your logic. Thanks, that's exactly my thought.
 
The public is too stupid to vote for an honest politician. The public votes for he that beats his chest loudest. The public votes for a blue sky, and then expects a blue sky every day because the hack that they voted for promised to them. During election time, the guy that says there will be cloudy days gets laughed off the stage by those that support the blue skies every day guy.

So scorn yourselves you partisan hacked idiots. You're all idiots.
Don't listen to him, there will be blue skies on Mars!
 
.....and since it is the source quoted in the original post, nobody should pay any attention because the OP is full of crap......... using your logic. Thanks, that's exactly my thought.
So, the proper response is to just accept the claims "55 promises kept" of the site without any critical thinking? We're supposed to go "Ooooo! 55 promises kept! He's the Best President EVER!!" I didn't say ignore the information, I just suggest being aware of the very obvious pro-Obama bias.

I gave up being a mindless dronebot of the partisan party system years ago. To my shame I didn't do it a lot earlier.

There are spots of truth in the list of promises kept. And there is a BUNCH of spun honey. Their analysis of broken promises is, for some unexplained reason, quite a bit more accurate to reality. There is good information available in there, as long as one realizes it is, in no way, unbiased. Read the details, not just the glowing partisanly inspired list of numbers. Since it is quite literally impossible to find unbiased sources detailing political activities, sifting the details and recognizing the direction of bias is essential.
 
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Have you looked at what these twits consider a "promise kept"?

Credit card bill of rights. Yea, they passed something, to take effect a year later, with no provisions for what CC companies are doing in the mean time (ie: getting their rate raises in, redefining high risk rates to bypass that portion of the bill, etc.)

Got the bill passed, yes, But did NOTHING real in protecting people from vapid credit card practices. By the time it takes effect, standard rates will be close to or above 20% (standard rates were 14% before the bill was passed), high risk rates will be close to 35%, and ALL current debt will be subject to the new rates. (And if you think they didn't know giving the bill a delayed effective date would give the CC companies a window to fuck the public true and rosy, then there is no hope for your thought processes at all. You are truly owned by the donket whose ass contains your head.)

Promise kept? No. By adding the delayed effective date, it completely neutered the legislation, and they may as well have passed nothing.


"No. 125: Direct military leaders to end war in Iraq"
Promise KEPT? How? The only thing he discussed was a DRAWDOWN of forces deployed to Iraq. In no discussion did he, at any time or in any manner, DIRECT the military leadership to END the war in Iraq. Yet they give him a "promise kept" for this item. Liars defending liars.

Promise kept? No. There has been no directive for ending the Iraq war.


And some of these other "promises kept" belong in the :gives: category.
No. 174: Give a speech at a major Islamic forum in the first 100 days of his administration
I mean, truly, :gives:? Shall we count the number of times any politician promised to go somewhere and give a speech and turn them all into paragons of truth? Talk about padding the resume with nonsense.

and yet others are in the realm of do nothing = promise kept
No. 337: Use the International Space Station for fundamental biological and physical research (plus a whole lot of others from the space program)
All missions to date were planned a minimum of 5 years ago.

The only broken promises they have listed are the ones than have no hope of gaining a positive spin, or being swept under the rug.

In short, the "PolitiFact" is nothing less than an Obama fan site poser.

If it's an "Obama fan site" poser then why should we give the original post any credence either? IMO if one is going to stand by the "broken promise" category as factual, then one has to do the same for the others also.

Btw, any site that takes the time to count up all the Obama promises (and we're just taking their word for what they post), and then systematically analyze them for being true or false is not an Obama fan site. These people didn't do it for bush and tried to justify their decision by saying they didn't have the resources. Make of that what you will.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/blog/2009/jan/25/why-we-havent-checked-bushs-promises/
 
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