Obama, Asleep at the Switch?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden


I didn't say it was PRIOR to May '96.....and what difference does it make if was April or June.....the fact the the CIA as paying for his murder is whats relevant in light of what you claim, that the US had no justification, evidence, or reason to deem him a threat and take him into custody...
The CIA was paying Egyptian or Saudi regimes to do the killing.

Clinton was into 'rendition' in those days, Sandy Berger admitted that in a tv interview and I think to the commission....

Are you drunk? I was referring to your post that the older Tsarnaev boy was cleared by the FBI. But if you want to make the argument for me that "the US had no justification, evidence, or reason to deem him a threat and take him into custody..", you're doing a fine job.
 
Are you implying that $50 million would have prevented 9/11....

of course not. I merely point out that an early August PDB warned the administration that terrorists were planning an attack within our borders using airplanes... and not only did the administration NOT proactively respond to that warning by beefing up their anti-terrorism activities, they, in fact, DE-emphasized anti-terrorism to the point of removing funding from anti-terrorism activities at the DOJ the very day before 9/11. Clearly, they were asleep at the wheel. Asscroft was more worried about porn, and Condie and Colin and Rummy were more interested in star wars than they were about terrorists. That's why dubya demoted Clarke... because anti-terrorism was so passe. And all you Bush apologists with brown noses continue to give him a free pass on all of that.
 
And Obama is more worried about partying with stars and playing golf than protecting us from domestic terror attacks.

compare the death toll from terror attacks during Obama's first five years in office to the toll during Dubya's first nine months. Between the two of them, who's done a better job at keeping Americans safe from the foreign bad guys?

3000 in nine months
3 in five years.

we report.... you decide. lol
 
compare the death toll from terror attacks during Obama's first five years in office to the toll during Dubya's first nine months. Between the two of them, who's done a better job at keeping Americans safe from the foreign bad guys?

3000 in nine months
3 in five years.

we report.... you decide. lol

So you blame the deaths from 9/11 solely on Bush?
 
So you blame the deaths from 9/11 solely on Bush?

seems to me, to paraphrase a certain moron on here, Bush was more interested in vacationing in Crawford, grilling steaks, cutting brush and playing golf than protecting us from domestic terror attacks. When Bush golfs, thousands die... Obama, not so much.
 
seems to me, to paraphrase a certain moron on here, Bush was more interested in vacationing in Crawford, grilling steaks, cutting brush and playing golf than protecting us from domestic terror attacks. When Bush golfs, thousands die... Obama, not so much.

From the day Bush declared war on terrorism, to the day he left office, there were NO domestic terror attacks. Zero dead--Zero injured. Obama's record is not this good. Sorry!

Obama is more interested in playing golf, partying with Jay-Z and Beyonce, vacationing, perpetual campaigning, dividing people with rhetoric, and subverting the Constitution and presidential authority to bypass Congress with Executive Orders every day. He had one of the bombers in his custody, and let him go. He was as "asleep at the switch" as Bush ever was. Whatever unreasonable standard you want to have for Bush, we are going to apply to Obama as well, because we're not doing the double-standard shit anymore. Whatever over-hyped, overblown rhetorical bullshit you want to throw at Bush, we can come up with equally as over-hyped and overblown bullshit for Obama.
 
I'm the guy in the the middle with the red hair.

How did you enjoy your little vacation troll?

Figured they would have all the women in the front of the row.

But you still have a little black in you, or should that be a short black. :)
 
From the day Bush declared war on terrorism, to the day he left office, there were NO domestic terror attacks. Zero dead--Zero injured. Obama's record is not this good. Sorry!

Obama is more interested in playing golf, partying with Jay-Z and Beyonce, vacationing, perpetual campaigning, dividing people with rhetoric, and subverting the Constitution and presidential authority to bypass Congress with Executive Orders every day. He had one of the bombers in his custody, and let him go. He was as "asleep at the switch" as Bush ever was. Whatever unreasonable standard you want to have for Bush, we are going to apply to Obama as well, because we're not doing the double-standard shit anymore. Whatever over-hyped, overblown rhetorical bullshit you want to throw at Bush, we can come up with equally as over-hyped and overblown bullshit for Obama.

after the Cole and Khobar Towers, why did Bush have to wait to lose 3K more folks to AQ before he got on a war footing?
 
compare the death toll from terror attacks during Obama's first five years in office to the toll during Dubya's first nine months. Between the two of them, who's done a better job at keeping Americans safe from the foreign bad guys?

3000 in nine months
3 in five years.

we report.... you decide. lol

Excuse me, but looking at the respective policies of the two men, I don't see fit to have them bear the responsibility for domestic terrorism carried out during their presidencies.
 
Excuse me, but looking at the respective policies of the two men, I don't see fit to have them bear the responsibility for domestic terrorism carried out during their presidencies.

but yet, because Obama, who inherited a total bucket of economic shit from his predecessor, and didn't turn it around in a nanosecond, even with republicans announcing their top priority was NOT the economy but the failure of Obama, you want to blame our current economic situation totally on him. yeah. that makes sense.
 
but yet, because Obama, who inherited a total bucket of economic shit from his predecessor, and didn't turn it around in a nanosecond, even with republicans announcing their top priority was NOT the economy but the failure of Obama, you want to blame our current economic situation totally on him. yeah. that makes sense.

Do I? I hardly see how renouncing the blame you placed on Bush for domestic terrorism is the same as blaming the current POTUS for economic problems. Sure, I'm no fan of Obamanomics, but that's not what my post was about. Plus, my grievances are far different from those of the Austrians.
 
of course not. I merely point out that an early August PDB warned the administration that terrorists were planning an attack within our borders using airplanes... and not only did the administration NOT proactively respond to that warning by beefing up their anti-terrorism activities, they, in fact, DE-emphasized anti-terrorism to the point of removing funding from anti-terrorism activities at the DOJ the very day before 9/11. Clearly, they were asleep at the wheel. Asscroft was more worried about porn, and Condie and Colin and Rummy were more interested in star wars than they were about terrorists. That's why dubya demoted Clarke... because anti-terrorism was so passe. And all you Bush apologists with brown noses continue to give him a free pass on all of that.

http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/staff_statements/staff_statement_9.pdf

Law Enforcement, Counterterrorism, and Intelligence Collection in the United States Prior to 9/11
You need to bone up on some facts of life....how mis-managed the FBI was under Freeh and Reno's attempt to fix it.

excerpt from Pg 4

..........Reno told us that the Bureau never seemed to have sufficient resources given the broad
scope of its responsibilities. She said in light of the appropriations FBI received, it
needed to prioritize and put counterterrorism first. She also said that Director Freeh
seemed unwilling to shift resources to terrorism from other areas such as violent crime.

Freeh said that it was difficult to tell field executives that they needed to do additional
counterterrorism work without additional resources.
Finally, even though the number of agents devoted to counterterrorism was limited, they
were not always fully utilized in the field offices.
We learned through our interviews that
prior to 9/11, field agents often were diverted from counterterrorism or other intelligence
work in order to cover major criminal cases.
The second core challenge was a legal issue that became a management challenge as
well. Certain provisions of federal law had been interpreted to limit communication
between agents conducting intelligence investigations and the criminal prosecution units
of the Department of Justice. This was done so that the broad powers for gathering
intelligence would not be seized upon by prosecutors trying to make a criminal case.

Its no surprise that the terrorists had no trouble getting into the country in 2000, is it ?

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http://www.justice.gov/archive/ag/testimony/2001/ag_statement_05_09_01.htm

Statement of Attorney General John Ashcroft before the United States Senate Committee on Appropriations
Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice, and State, The Judiciary, and Related Agencies
Hearing on U.S. Federal Efforts to Combat Terrorism

May 9, 2001
FY 2002 Budget Request (THE BUSH BUDGET)

The President's FY 2002 budget increases the Department's resources for counterterrorism and critical infrastructure protection by $103 million over the enacted FY 2001 funding level. This amount includes $40 million in requested program enhancements plus base adjustments and portions of programs that support counterterrorism-related activities.


Of the $40 million in program enhancements, a total of $32 million is requested by the FBI for security and investigative duties at the 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City, Utah, for increased security requirements at various FBI locations, and to support its incident response readiness responsibilities.

For the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS), $7 million in new funding is included to establish intelligence units along our Northern and Southern borders. These units will monitor terrorist activities and smuggling operations, and assist in tracking the movement of illicit narcotics, weapons, and other contraband across our nation's borders.

And the Criminal Division requests $1 million for extradition and foreign legal assistance workload, translation services and computer network security enhancements.

In addition to the enhancements discussed above, and in recognition of the critical role State and local public safety agencies play in managing the consequences of any terrorist event involving weapons of mass destruction, the Department's total budget request inc

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So ...... lets hear about that $50+ million that you think Ashcroft removed from the counter-terrorism effort in Sept., seeing as how he made this
request in May of 2001 for $103 million increase for the following year......a link to these claims might be useful....
 
but yet, because Obama, who inherited a total bucket of economic shit from his predecessor, and didn't turn it around in a nanosecond, even with republicans announcing their top priority was NOT the economy but the failure of Obama, you want to blame our current economic situation totally on him. yeah. that makes sense.


Obama did inherit a total bucket of economic shit, but he inherited it because of the Democratic control of the Congress that started in 1996......in 3 short years, they fucked up the country so bad that even Obama the wonderboy couldn't work his magic.....even after almost 4.5 years......of course, he still has that fucked up
Senate to deal with and his own obsessive love affair with socialism ain't helping.....
 
Obama did inherit a total bucket of economic shit, but he inherited it because of the Democratic control of the Congress that started in 1996......in 3 short years, they fucked up the country so bad that even Obama the wonderboy couldn't work his magic.....even after almost 4.5 years......of course, he still has that fucked up
Senate to deal with and his own obsessive love affair with socialism ain't helping.....

LOL

With that kind of math, you should probably stay away from economics.
 
Obama did inherit a total bucket of economic shit, but he inherited it because of the Democratic control of the Congress that started in 1996......in 3 short years, they fucked up the country so bad that even Obama the wonderboy couldn't work his magic.....even after almost 4.5 years......of course, he still has that fucked up
Senate to deal with and his own obsessive love affair with socialism ain't helping.....

Revisionist history....I wonder how much debt I could run up by fighting a "war on terror" on two fronts, keeping it all off the books until the end of my term, and oh yeah.....offer big tax cuts on top of it all?

Let's not forget the wall street bailouts that happened that Bush baby came on National TV with Hank Paulson at his side predicting the end of the world as we know it... AFTER the House Dems killed it the first time...

Oh yeah....also....giving China most favored Nation status and gave our corporations a stranglehold on labor and started in earnest what Clinton fucked up with NAFTA....which FURTHER reduced tax revenue because of the huge increase in unemployment/undemployment.

But all that shit had NOTHING to do with it, I suppose.
 
Revisionist history....I wonder how much debt I could run up by fighting a "war on terror" on two fronts, keeping it all off the books until the end of my term, and oh yeah.....offer big tax cuts on top of it all?

Let's not forget the wall street bailouts that happened that Bush baby came on National TV with Hank Paulson at his side predicting the end of the world as we know it... AFTER the House Dems killed it the first time...

Oh yeah....also....giving China most favored Nation status and gave our corporations a stranglehold on labor and started in earnest what Clinton fucked up with NAFTA....which FURTHER reduced tax revenue because of the huge increase in unemployment/undemployment.

But all that shit had NOTHING to do with it, I suppose.

http://rt.com/usa/obama-there-is-no-debt-crisis-265/

The United States is roughly $17 trillion in debt, but President Barack Obama says there’s no reason to worry.

Speaking with ABC News correspondent George Stephanopoulos this week, Pres. Obama downplayed concerns of an impending financial catastrophe, claiming quite to the contrary that the country is on track to turning the economy around.

"We don't have an immediate crisis in terms of debt," Pres. Obama told Mr. Stephanopoulos during an interview that aired Wednesday on the television program Good Morning America.

"In fact,” added the president, “for the next 10 years, it's gonna be in a sustainable place."

Others aren’t so sure.

Pres. Obama’s claim is indeed an optimistic one, but is it all that accurate? For starters, the Congressional Budget Office admits that, yes, the deficit may be slightly less in the coming months than what we’ve seen throughout the Obama administration so far, but in ten years’ time things aren’t likely to shape up all that wonderfully. The CBO projects a deficit of $845 billion — a fantastic figure when compared with the deficits exceeding $1 trillion that have occurred since Pres. Obama took office — but the size of that sum won’t be shrinking for long. The CBO expects the deficit to take an upward turn again as soon as 2015, with a total of $7 trillion expected to be added to the national debt during the next decade.
 
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