Obama: Dems Should Not Pass Healthcare With a 50-Plus-1 Strategy

Bittermark said:
I'm not Obama. He said something dumb, and hopefully he contradicts his stupidity.
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it just shows how morally bankrupt obama is on this issue...he doesn't give a rats ass whether this bill actually helps anyone, all he cares about is his legacy....he doesn't care that this won't be an american bill, his ego is too large for him to get the defeat, according to his own words, he deserves...

and your stance on this issue is intellectually bankrupt....you run around spouting how people should be put in prison and killed, yet you want fricken HEALTHcare, yet can't even explain the simple functions of the bill...oh yeah, because no one has a clue which bill and what exactly any final bill might do, but yoiu support it because you're a political lemming watermark
 
51=majority
majority rule=America
The teabagging (I think that's gay) false outrage on the process is HILLARIOUS!!! since they fucked it like an alter boy when they were in power.
 
Yurt said:
it just shows how morally bankrupt obama is on this issue...he doesn't give a rats ass whether this bill actually helps anyone, all he cares about is his legacy....he doesn't care that this won't be an american bill, his ego is too large for him to get the defeat, according to his own words, he deserves...

and your stance on this issue is intellectually bankrupt....you run around spouting how people should be put in prison and killed, yet you want fricken HEALTHcare, yet can't even explain the simple functions of the bill...oh yeah, because no one has a clue which bill and what exactly any final bill might do, but yoiu support it because you're a political lemming watermark
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Amen :good4u:
 
NigelTufnel said:
It is talk about amending the bill that got 60 votes.
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thank you for admitting the bill is not finished and obama cannot get his proposals/plans passed unless dems use the 50+1 approach to finalize the bill....

Now that the Senate parliamentarian has made clear to Democrats that they won't be able to take the path they had considered to get a health care bill passed, they must ask themselves: If we vote for the Senate's bill, do we trust the senators to make the changes they say they will?

"If the House is going to do this, they are going to have to vote for the Senate bill, holding their nose and trusting that in fact they are going to go through this reconciliation process, and they are going to get the fixes that they are looking for to the legislation," said Cheryl Block, a professor of law and a budget policy expert at Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri.

Those "fixes" are a part of a package of changes to the Senate bill that President Obama proposed last month. The idea is for the House to pass the Senate bill, wait for Obama to sign it into law, and then vote separately on Obama's proposal.

The Senate no longer has the 60-seat supermajority it did when it passed its health care bill in December, so it would need to pass Obama's plan using the parliamentary shortcut known as reconciliation.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/15/health.care.next/index.html

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Yurt said:
thank you for admitting the bill is not finished and obama cannot get his proposals/plans passed unless dems use the 50+1 approach to finalize the bill....

Now that the Senate parliamentarian has made clear to Democrats that they won't be able to take the path they had considered to get a health care bill passed, they must ask themselves: If we vote for the Senate's bill, do we trust the senators to make the changes they say they will?

"If the House is going to do this, they are going to have to vote for the Senate bill, holding their nose and trusting that in fact they are going to go through this reconciliation process, and they are going to get the fixes that they are looking for to the legislation," said Cheryl Block, a professor of law and a budget policy expert at Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri.

Those "fixes" are a part of a package of changes to the Senate bill that President Obama proposed last month. The idea is for the House to pass the Senate bill, wait for Obama to sign it into law, and then vote separately on Obama's proposal.

The Senate no longer has the 60-seat supermajority it did when it passed its health care bill in December, so it would need to pass Obama's plan using the parliamentary shortcut known as reconciliation.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/15/health.care.next/index.html

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The Senate need only pass through reconciliation the House amendments to the bill it already passed with 60 votes.

Like I said, the bill got 60 votes in the Senate.
 
NigelTufnel said:
The Senate need only pass through reconciliation the House amendments to the bill it already passed with 60 votes.

Like I said, the bill got 60 votes in the Senate.
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also obama's plans...

again, thank you for admitting that the final bill cannot pass unless obama lies and promotes the 50+1 option...no part of the bill will be an american bill unless it is passed by 60 votes...obama said it, you don't like it, write him and tell him to stop lying

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Yurt said:
also obama's plans...

again, thank you for admitting that the final bill cannot pass unless obama lies and promotes the 50+1 option...no part of the bill will be an american bill unless it is passed by 60 votes...obama said it, you don't like it, write him and tell him to stop lying

:)
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But the Senate bill got 60 votes.
 
Yurt said:
also obama's plans...

again, thank you for admitting that the final bill cannot pass unless obama lies and promotes the 50+1 option...no part of the bill will be an american bill unless it is passed by 60 votes...obama said it, you don't like it, write him and tell him to stop lying

:)
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NigelTufnel said:
But the Senate bill got 60 votes.
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stop being obtuse or just plain dishonest :pke:

White House officials tell ABC News that in his remarks tomorrow President Obama will indicate a willingness to work with Republicans on some issue to get a health care reform bill passed but will suggest that if it is necessary, Democrats will use the controversial "reconciliation" rules requiring only 51 Senate votes to pass the "fix" to the Senate bill, as opposed to the 60 votes to stop a filibuster and proceed to a vote on a bill.

The plan to pass the bill includes having the House of Representatives pass the Democratic Senate health care reform legislation as well as a second bill containing various “fixes.”

The president will call for an up or down vote on health care reform, as has happened in the past, and though he won't use the word "reconciliation," he'll make it clear that if they're not given an up or down vote, Democrats will use the reconciliation rules as Republicans have done in the past.
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http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalp...iliation-to-pass-senate-health-care-bill.html
 
NigelTufnel said:
I'm being neither obtuse nor dishonest. Let's take this a step at a time:

The Senate bill passed with 60 votes. Do you agree?
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seriously, now you're just being stupid...the bill is not finalized, it needs "fixes" and they want to pass an additional second bill with fixes...to deny this is dishonest....to claim the final bill has 60 votes, is dishonest.

there are no steps required, i have provided links, bolded the pertinent parts, if you want to play this dishonest game about the bill in december, have at it, fact is, the final bill does not have 60 votes, obama has gone back on his word by now stating he will use a 50+1 vote to get the final bill passed.

lie all you want dungheap, it doesn't change reality
 
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