Obama doesn't like the US as a superpower?

[apple0154]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEvH_f9VADA&feature=player_embedded

i'm trying to get the whole context here, but i can't get around him saying whether we like it or not, the US is a superpower

sure, he could be talking to his audience, but he says "we" not "you"...who is "we", the imperial "we"....is obama really talking about himself

bizarre comment

Christiefan, msg 19, posted the context in which it was said.

(Excerpt)"But what we can make sure of is, is that we are constantly present, constantly engaged, and setting out very clearly to both sides our belief that not only is it in the interests of each party to resolve these conflicts but it’s also in the interest of the United States. It is a vital national security interest of the United States to reduce these conflicts because whether we like it or not, we remain a dominant military superpower, and when conflicts break out, one way or another we get pulled into them. And that ends up costing us significantly in terms of both blood and treasure. (End)

"We", as in the country and citizens of the United States. Obama is saying the country...government, citizens...are pulled into conflicts because they are a super power.

The "whether we like it or not" refers to being pulled into conflicts. "Whether we like it or not" refers to American men and women who are killed fighting in wars that other countries do not participate in.

For example, a fireman has to enter a burning building to save someone "whether he likes it or not" as I doubt anyone likes going into a burning building. On the other hand I'm sure he finds his job rewarding when he saves someone.

That is the way I understand Obama's comment. It's part of the "job".

 

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Real T-bagger, or a plant?

Paranoia will destroy ya!

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Tell it to someone who cares what you think, you partisan hack.

That's just it. I'm not a partisan. I've probably voted for more Republicans then you have though I do tend to favor ones who are competent. As long as Republicans continue to construct a base of semi-literate trailer park residents then they have built in a self fulfilling prophecy for poor leadership and incompetent administration. When Republicans decide that Eisenhower is more representative of their ideology then George W. Bush or Ronald Reagan, I might start voting Republican again but as long as ya'll keep trotting out Sarah Palin's and Mike Huckabee's....well good luck with that.

 

[christiefan915]

ok christie...in the context what do you think he means?



who is we? we the people? him and his admin? who?

Okay, in a nutshell: he's using as an example the Israelis and Palis. He says we can't resolve their issues, they have to do it themselves. Then he says we (the U.S.) have a national security interest in seeing conflicts reduced because we are still a dominant superpower and whether we like it or not, we get pulled into other nations' conflicts and that will cost us in blood and treasure.

So the part about "whether we like it or not" means getting pulled into conflicts because we are the dominant superpower, and that can cost the lives of our troops.

The emphasis is not on being a superpower but on being drawn into conflicts because of it.

 

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Christiefan, msg 19, posted the context in which it was said.

(Excerpt)"But what we can make sure of is, is that we are constantly present, constantly engaged, and setting out very clearly to both sides our belief that not only is it in the interests of each party to resolve these conflicts but it’s also in the interest of the United States. It is a vital national security interest of the United States to reduce these conflicts because whether we like it or not, we remain a dominant military superpower, and when conflicts break out, one way or another we get pulled into them. And that ends up costing us significantly in terms of both blood and treasure. (End)

"We", as in the country and citizens of the United States. Obama is saying the country...government, citizens...are pulled into conflicts because they are a super power.

The "whether we like it or not" refers to being pulled into conflicts. "Whether we like it or not" refers to American men and women who are killed fighting in wars that other countries do not participate in.

For example, a fireman has to enter a burning building to save someone "whether he likes it or not" as I doubt anyone likes going into a burning building. On the other hand I'm sure he finds his job rewarding when he saves someone.

That is the way I understand Obama's comment. It's part of the "job".

thank you apple....

so in reality, my OP hunch about what he said appears to be spot on. you are now the second person to agree that obama is basically saying he doesn't like the US being a superpower, but its something we have to do....

that was my OP question that you guys got all tizzy over, yet, watermark and you have now finally stated that yes, it appears obama doesn't like the US as a superpower, but its just something we have to do.

thanks

 

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Okay, in a nutshell: he's using as an example the Israelis and Palis. He says we can't resolve their issues, they have to do it themselves. Then he says we (the U.S.) have a national security interest in seeing conflicts reduced because we are still a dominant superpower and whether we like it or not, we get pulled into other nations' conflicts and that will cost us in blood and treasure.

So the part about "whether we like it or not" means getting pulled into conflicts because we are the dominant superpower, and that can cost the lives of our troops.

The emphasis is not on being a superpower but on being drawn into conflicts because of it.

now this is a different take on what he said....i can see this though

 

[christiefan915]

Christiefan, msg 19, posted the context in which it was said.

(Excerpt)"But what we can make sure of is, is that we are constantly present, constantly engaged, and setting out very clearly to both sides our belief that not only is it in the interests of each party to resolve these conflicts but it’s also in the interest of the United States. It is a vital national security interest of the United States to reduce these conflicts because whether we like it or not, we remain a dominant military superpower, and when conflicts break out, one way or another we get pulled into them. And that ends up costing us significantly in terms of both blood and treasure. (End)

"We", as in the country and citizens of the United States. Obama is saying the country...government, citizens...are pulled into conflicts because they are a super power.

The "whether we like it or not" refers to being pulled into conflicts. "Whether we like it or not" refers to American men and women who are killed fighting in wars that other countries do not participate in.

For example, a fireman has to enter a burning building to save someone "whether he likes it or not" as I doubt anyone likes going into a burning building. On the other hand I'm sure he finds his job rewarding when he saves someone.

That is the way I understand Obama's comment. It's part of the "job".

That's exactly how I understood it, and you had to read the sentence in context to get the full meaning.

 

[cawacko]

now this is a different take on what he said....i can see this though

you know how the neo-cons think about foreign policy well there are also those who think the U.S. shouldn't have any involvement and should stay out of everything. I think he's speaking more towards the latter folks that we can't just hide from the rest of the world that because of our stature we have to play a role. that's my take.

 

[christiefan915]

thank you christie....

so in reality, my OP hunch about what he said appears to be spot on. you are now the second person to agree that obama is basically saying he doesn't like the US being a superpower, but its something we have to do....

that was my OP question that you guys got all tizzy over, yet, watermark and you have now finally stated that yes, it appears obama doesn't like the US as a superpower, but its just something we have to do.

thanks

You're doing it again. I didn't say that, nor did I mean it. Reread the speech and the question. Obama is saying he doesn't like the U.S. being pulled into conflicts just because we are the dominant superpower.

I think it's dishonest for someone to take a 20-second snippet out of a longer speech, make a video out of it, and tout it as Obama not liking to be a superpower. Why do you think that 20-second sound bite is making the rounds? It's because if the person filmed the entire exchange, it would make him a liar, but he knows most people will take his tiny bit of tape at face value instead of investigating further.

 

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You're doing it again. I didn't say that, nor did I mean it. Reread the speech and the question. Obama is saying he doesn't like the U.S. being pulled into conflicts just because we are the dominant superpower.

I think it's dishonest for someone to take a 20-second snippet out of a longer speech, make a video out of it, and tout it as Obama not liking to be a superpower. Why do you think that 20-second sound bite is making the rounds? It's because if the person filmed the entire exchange, it would make him a liar, but he knows most people will take his tiny bit of tape at face value instead of investigating further.

i incorrectly attributed apple's post to you, i corrected it already and responded to your post

there is nothing dishonest about taking what he said and asking questions about it. if i claimed that is all he meant, then you would have a point. the central issue is still exactly what is displayed in the video and as we have seen, it is open to interpretation and apparently two liberals also somewhat agree with my hunch in the OP.....that obmaa doesn't like it...

 

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you know how the neo-cons think about foreign policy well there are also those who think the U.S. shouldn't have any involvement and should stay out of everything. I think he's speaking more towards the latter folks that we can't just hide from the rest of the world that because of our stature we have to play a role. that's my take.

i can see that, so he is not talking about himself, but to others

thank you. that is all i was asking in the OP.

 

[apple0154]

thank you apple....

so in reality, my OP hunch about what he said appears to be spot on. you are now the second person to agree that obama is basically saying he doesn't like the US being a superpower, but its something we have to do....

that was my OP question that you guys got all tizzy over, yet, watermark and you have now finally stated that yes, it appears obama doesn't like the US as a superpower, but its just something we have to do.

thanks

Do you have a comprehension problem? I even gave an analogy of a fireman. He enjoys being a firemen but does not enjoy going into burning buildings.

 

[TuTu Monroe]

i incorrectly attributed apple's post to you, i corrected it already and responded to your post

there is nothing dishonest about taking what he said and asking questions about it. if i claimed that is all he meant, then you would have a point. the central issue is still exactly what is displayed in the video and as we have seen, it is open to interpretation and apparently two liberals also somewhat agree with my hunch in the OP.....that obmaa doesn't like it...

Obama better get used to it. It's his baby.

 

[Onceler]

i incorrectly attributed apple's post to you, i corrected it already and responded to your post

there is nothing dishonest about taking what he said and asking questions about it. if i claimed that is all he meant, then you would have a point. the central issue is still exactly what is displayed in the video and as we have seen, it is open to interpretation and apparently two liberals also somewhat agree with my hunch in the OP.....that obmaa doesn't like it...

The bolded part? That's an admission.

And that's exactly what everyone figured you were saying.

 

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The bolded part? That's an admission.

And that's exactly what everyone figured you were saying.

why are you so bent on being dishonest about what i say? a hunch is not a definitive answer, statement or knowledge, hence my questions. talk about parsing someone's words, good lord.

you're barely worth time anymore, all you do is insult and lie about what i say. rather boring.

 

[Onceler]

why are you so bent on being dishonest about what i say? a hunch is not a definitive answer, statement or knowledge, hence my questions. talk about parsing someone's words, good lord.

you're barely worth time anymore, all you do is insult and lie about what i say. rather boring.

Your own responses, like the one I just posted and your response to apple's post, are definitive: you were trying to make a point about what you believed Obama was saying. Not innocently asking questions, which is a less-than-clever disguise.

It's really not even debatable.

 

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Your own responses, like the one I just posted and your response to apple's post, are definitive: you were trying to make a point about what you believed Obama was saying. Not innocently asking questions, which is a less-than-clever disguise.

It's really not even debatable.

yeah...thats why i agreed with cawacko and christie on their interpretations

seriously, your lies are pathetic you angry little man

 

[Onceler]

I'm not angry. Just calling stuff for what it is.

I know that can be difficult.

 

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I got one whole dollar vs your chastity that you voted for Bush twice. Even if you voted for the guy once it brings your judgement about competency seriously into question. No one who voted for Bush can question another persons competency because they lack credibility, unless they have the courage and honesty to say "Boy I fucked up there, that fella Bush was incompetent.".

The complete stupidity of the above is quite laughable....

So tell us Mott... should we question the competence of those that voted for the two men that couldn't manage to beat Bush?

Or perhaps those that cling to the party dominated by people Bush 'tricked'

 

[TuTu Monroe]

yes, better us than some other country

it was a great question, but most libs, and every lib posting in this thread, gets all hot and bothered if someone dares question something obama said. its rather pathetic the knee jerk responses from you guys in this thread.

apparently you seem to believe obama doesn't like that we are dominant military power....if that is the case, then how in the hell was i wrong to question just that in the OP?

You weren't wrong to question what he said. Hell, his statement made headlines in the news. This president is in over his head. Would the left rather have China as the super power? China is sure trying hard to get there.