Obama escalates war in Afghanistan

What gets me is, the same people who were so morally outraged and opposed to any troops dying in the deserts of Iraq under a republican president, seem to have no problem with our troops dying in the mountains of Afghanistan under a democrat president.

The same people who are so opposed to giving a corporation a break on taxes or rewarding success with reductions in tax rates with a republican president, have no problem whatsoever with giving these same corporations billions of taxpayer dollars in bailouts under a democrat president.

Maybe THAT is the "change we can believe in?"

Have you forgotten? The towers fell on 9/11 by terrorists of this evil terrorist organization called the Taliban. Well, we drove them out, but they regrouped and are pretty much going to have some influence in the future of Afghanistan. We didn't remove them from power, we pissed them off and ran to some other War to piss more people off. Now, we need to go back in there and clean house of those who actually attacked us with an act of war. They are still in Afghanistan, and have been attacking coalition forces there this year. Or, we could just up and leave the place, but that would mean we've been defeated, right?
 
Whatever, bac. I challenge you to show me where Obama has said anything other than the Iraq War is a distraction from the real war on terror which is taking place in Afghanistan and Pakistan. He's been saying this shit since day one and you've been critical of him of it since day one. For him to follow through on that stuff isn't flip-floppery. He never disguised it.

What's it like to be in a state of perpetual outrage?


Edit: You really should do AM radio. You'd do well.

It's one of the reasons I voted for the guy, despite being a Libertarian. He's always said he would go after Pakistan and Afghanistan.
 
Whatever, bac. I challenge you to show me where Obama has said anything other than the Iraq War is a distraction from the real war on terror which is taking place in Afghanistan and Pakistan. He's been saying this shit since day one and you've been critical of him of it since day one. For him to follow through on that stuff isn't flip-floppery. He never disguised it.

What's it like to be in a state of perpetual outrage?


Edit: You really should do AM radio. You'd do well.

Note: I've done AM radio .. occassionally still do .. and yes, I'm good at it because I'm a digger.

Not sure what outrage you're talking about, but I'm having fun. As the saying goes .. I don't have a horse in this race.

I could easily post Obama's own words where he flipped flopped on Iraq .. but I'd rather you conduct this test ... pull up google and put in "obama flipflops on XXXXX" .. replace the X's with any issue you choose, Iraq for instance ... then your argument is with google, not me.
 
Note: I've done AM radio .. occassionally still do .. and yes, I'm good at it because I'm a digger.

Not sure what outrage you're talking about, but I'm having fun. As the saying goes .. I don't have a horse in this race.

I could easily post Obama's own words where he flipped flopped on Iraq .. but I'd rather you conduct this test ... pull up google and put in "obama flipflops on XXXXX" .. replace the X's with any issue you choose, Iraq for instance ... then your argument is with google, not me.

That's ridiculous. I could probably get 1,000 hits with "Obama is a Muslim terrorist," as well.

Google is hardly an arbiter of the truth. You've got nothing.
 
That's ridiculous. I could probably get 1,000 hits with "Obama is a Muslim terrorist," as well.

Google is hardly an arbiter of the truth. You've got nothing.

Please save the right-wing shit for the right-wing .. which I am not.

I said validated by HIS OWN WORDS

Perhaps you are of the mind that his words are meaningless .. in that case, I agree.
 
Note: I've done AM radio .. occassionally still do .. and yes, I'm good at it because I'm a digger.

Not sure what outrage you're talking about, but I'm having fun. As the saying goes .. I don't have a horse in this race.

I could easily post Obama's own words where he flipped flopped on Iraq .. but I'd rather you conduct this test ... pull up google and put in "obama flipflops on XXXXX" .. replace the X's with any issue you choose, Iraq for instance ... then your argument is with google, not me.


OK. Do it. Let's start with Afghanistan though, since that is the subject of this thread.
 
OK. Do it. Let's start with Afghanistan though, since that is the subject of this thread.

Actually, I wanted you to do it so you don't get it 2nd hand.

Obama has been consistently calculated about Afghanistan, although consistently wrong.

Before Biden became his running mate, he called Obama a "johnny come lately" om it .. and he's never held a single hearing on Afghanistan even though he chared the committee. My argument with him on Afghhanistan isn't that he wasn't consistent, but that he's wrong .. AND it is a contridiction to what led me to support him before I dumped him ... (paraphrasing) "We not only need to get our troops out of Iraq, we must also end the mindset that sent them there")

In regards to Iraq he even flipflopped on his flipflop and had to redefine what he thought he meant to say.
 
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Before Sen. Joe Biden became an oft-mentioned candidate for a spot on the Obama ticket, he campaigned against him for the Democratic nomination for president. During that time, the Delaware Democrat said Obama had a "Johnny come lately" position on Afghanistan by asking for more brigades last summer.

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/07/joe_biden_barack_obama_afghani.html


Suddenly Joe Biden is the right-wingers source for accurate content? Shocking that.

Here is an excerpt of a speech that Obama gave in November 2006 concerning Iraq:

Perhaps most importantly, some of these troops could be redeployed to Afghanistan, where our lack of focus and commitment of resources has led to an increasing deterioration of the security situation there. The President's decision to go to war in Iraq has had disastrous consequences for Afghanistan -- we have seen a fierce Taliban offensive, a spike in terrorist attacks, and a narcotrafficking problem spiral out of control. Instead of consolidating the gains made by the Karzai government, we are backsliding towards chaos. By redeploying from Iraq to Afghanistan, we will answer NATO's call for more troops and provide a much-needed boost to this critical fight against terrorism.



http://www.barackobama.com/2006/11/20/a_way_forward_in_iraq.php
 
On bombing Pakistan ..

"I did not say that we would immediately go in unilaterally. What I said was that we have to work with [Pakistan’s President Pervez] Musharraf.

LIAR

" I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges. But let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al Qaeda leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won’t act, we will."
 
Actually, I wanted you to do it so you don't get it 2nd hand.

Obama has been consistently calculated about Afghanistan, although consistently wrong.

Before Biden became his running mate, he called Obama a "johnny come lately" om it .. and he's never held a single hearing on Afghanistan even though he chared the committee. My argument with him on Afghhanistan isn't that he wasn't consistent, but that he's wrong .. AND it is a contridiction to what led me to support him before I dumped him ... (paraphrasing) "We not only need to get our troops out of Iraq, we must also end the mindset that sent them there")

In regards to Iraq he even flipflopped on his flipflop and had to redefine what he thought he meant to say.



You need to reread the speech he gave on October 2, 2002. It doesn't say what you think it says.
 
On bombing Pakistan ..

"I did not say that we would immediately go in unilaterally. What I said was that we have to work with [Pakistan’s President Pervez] Musharraf.

LIAR

" I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges. But let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al Qaeda leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won’t act, we will."


Those two statement really aren't inconsistent. In the first he says we have to work with Musharraf. In the second he says what he will do if Musharraf won't work with us.
 
Suddenly Joe Biden is the right-wingers source for accurate content? Shocking that.

Here is an excerpt of a speech that Obama gave in November 2006 concerning Iraq:





http://www.barackobama.com/2006/11/20/a_way_forward_in_iraq.php

That's nice .. here's what he had to say when he was pretending to be a progressive during the primaries.

"Let me be clear: There is no military solution in Iraq. There never was," he said. "'The best way to protect our security and to pressure Iraq's leaders to resolve their civil war is to immediately begin to remove our combat troops. Not in six months or one year – now."

He was calling for all troops out by the end of 2008 .. on Bush's watch.

The crowd went wild.
 
That's nice .. here's what he had to say when he was pretending to be a progressive during the primaries.

"Let me be clear: There is no military solution in Iraq. There never was," he said. "'The best way to protect our security and to pressure Iraq's leaders to resolve their civil war is to immediately begin to remove our combat troops. Not in six months or one year – now."

He was calling for all troops out by the end of 2008 .. on Bush's watch.

The crowd went wild.


OK. Now we're on Iraq, after Pakistan? But we haven't done Afghanistan yet.

How long did he say it would take once we started removing troops? 16 months. Same as it ever was.
 
Those two statement really aren't inconsistent. In the first he says we have to work with Musharraf. In the second he says what he will do if Musharraf won't work with us.

The problem is my brother that the 2nd comment is what he said first.

"If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won’t act, we will."

Thus fuck Musharraf, thus he did say he would act unilaterally, thus he lied .. unless you'd like to quibble about the word "immediately" .. nuance is Obama's best friend.
 
Obama was inaugurated early and nobody told me!?! Fuckers. I missed the party.

LOL. I was saying to a friend today that it's interesting how the Obama adminstration, which has not yet begun, has already been declared an historic failure by some.
 
The problem is my brother that the 2nd comment is what he said first.

"If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won’t act, we will."

Thus fuck Musharraf, thus he did say he would act unilaterally, thus he lied .. unless you'd like to quibble about the word "immediately" .. nuance is Obama's best friend.


Thus, fuck Musharraf if he won't take action and work with us when we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets.
 
Pinheads, let's remember, the Taliban didn't attack us any more than Saddam attacked us. Afghanistan is a sovereign nation, which was not responsible for the attacks on 9/11. We were attacked by a radical Muslim extremist group, which happened to be based in Afghanistan. They have now moved into the mountainous regions of northern Pakistan. The Afghanistan government, run by the Taliban, was enabling and allowing alQaeda to operate in their country, just as Sudan was before we ran them out of there after the first WTC attacks. They actually wanted to move to Iraq, but we made that impossible by eliminating the only man who could have facilitated that action, Saddam Hussein. So now, they are in Pakistan, and we are going into Afghanistan full-bore, just as we went into Iraq without alQaeda present.

The only difference between the Taliban and Saddam, is the Taliban is Muslim based and Saddam was secular, both were sympathetic to alQaeda, just as Pakistan, Syria and Iran are sympathetic to alQaeda. Saddam was so sympathetic to their cause that he actually helped to fund the first WTC attacks, and was harboring one of the 1993 WTC bombers, paying him a state salary. He was also allowing alQaeda and other similar radical Islamic groups to establish training camps in his country, just as Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, and Syria are currently doing.

Then, there is Saudi Arabia, who is currently teaching their school kids the message of hate preached by alQaeda. The only difference between them and Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, and Iran, is the fact they sell us oil and are our "ally" like Pakistan. We could throw Jordan in here too, but I don't want to get you too confused. In short, it's a great big mess, and we are right in the middle of it. We didn't cause it, we didn't create it, we are fighting it.

You may wish to continue arguing that Iraq had nothing to do with alQaeda, and that is fine... but why do you think, alQaeda is present in all these other countries, has operatives in a hundred other countries, but for some mysterious reason, were never present in Iraq? Fact is, since about the first month after we invaded Iraq, alQeada and their supporters are who we've been fighting there, with the help of Iraqi security forces... let's forget that fact, the fundamental objectives of alQaeda and radical Muslim extremists, is an Islamic Caliphate, which would include dominating the territory known as Iraq. Doesn't it seem the least bit odd to you, that alQaeda has been fighting so fiercely for Iraq, a country they supposedly had nothing to do with?

Oh yes, I know, you've all been pumped full of your koolaid propaganda, and you have an answer for all of these questions. You will drag out the same old tired arguments about Saddam not being connected to alQaeda, but... neither is Afghanistan or Pakistan, really. Neither is Syria or Iran, these are all sovereign nations. They are all part of the radical Islamic vision of Caliphate which would span from Indonesia to Turkey.

I think you people need to educate yourselves on this, dig a little deeper than Micheal Moore for your answers, and understand this problem and what it will take to defeat it. Right now, you are a bunch of wandering sheep, following your leader Obama, and your shepherd, the Democrat Party.
 
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