Obama: gay partners should have hospital access

[DamnYankee]

why should non religious people have a religious title, marriage? this puts a huge hole in your belief that homosexuals should also not enjoy this title, as you admit the title is not religious only

Not really. A couple could be married in a religious ceremony and then decide later that they are atheist. Are we then supposed to strip them of the marriage title? That would put government in the business of enforcing religious protocol.

Its not at all the same with queers, since its obvious from the outset that they are not a normal couple.

Like it or not, marriage has always been between a man and a woman. Sure history has example of one man and many wives, but that has proved detrimental to society. Time, trial and error has proven one definition works well. Its only common sense not to mess with that.

As with the Argumentum ad antiquitatem fallacy, its not always illogical. Even in structural engineering we have Codes that are based on historical precedence. And in societal laws we have hundreds of examples.

 

[DamnYankee]

Then you should have no problem finding the post that confirms your theory.

After your suspension for violating rule NUMERO UNO is up, that is.

What private information was posted?

 

[WinterBorn]

Not really. A couple could be married in a religious ceremony and then decide later that they are atheist. Are we then supposed to strip them of the marriage title? That would put government in the business of enforcing religious protocol.

Its not at all the same with queers, since its obvious from the outset that they are not a normal couple.

Like it or not, marriage has always been between a man and a woman. Sure history has example of one man and many wives, but that has proved detrimental to society. Time, trial and error has proven one definition works well. Its only common sense not to mess with that.

As with the Argumentum ad antiquitatem fallacy, its not always illogical. Even in structural engineering we have Codes that are based on historical precedence. And in societal laws we have hundreds of examples.

Not all straight couples are normal couples. But you allow them to marry anyway.

Time, trial, and error are great. But since gay marriage has not been tried at any time, there have been no errors actually found (or none that are not found equally in straight marriages).

There is a difference between having codes based on trial and error and using the Argumentum ad antiquitatem fallacy. With one there have been trials involving what is being discussed, and documentable errors found. This is not the case with gay marriage.

My zinger on you using logical fallacies stands.

 

[TuTu Monroe]

Also, there is no evidence that allowing gay marriages would have an adverse effect on either them or their children.

What about their children being teased by other children unmercifully?

 

[cancel2 2022]

What about their children being teased by other children unmercifully?

So what is the difference between that and the prejudice suffered by children of inter-racial marriages in former times, and indeed now? Just because some people are ignorant and pass that on to their children does not mean that it's wrong.

 

[WinterBorn]

What about their children being teased by other children unmercifully?

You want to base laws on whether children will tease other children?

Besides, that has nothing to do with whether gays marry.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

What about their children being teased by other children unmercifully?

I guess by that logic we shouldn't let ugly people marry either.

 

[cancel2 2022]

I guess by that logic we shouldn't let ugly people marry either.

Well, apparently she is one of the beautiful people.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

What about their children being teased by other children unmercifully?

so dwarfs should not be allowed to marry? people who can give birth to retarded children should not be allowed to marry?

 

[TuTu Monroe]

so dwarfs should not be allowed to marry? people who can give birth to retarded children should not be allowed to marry?

Where did I say that?

 

[cancel2 2022]

Where did I say that?

It's a logical extension of your argument, not that you've ever been strong on logic.

 

[TuTu Monroe]

It's a logical extension of your argument, not that you've ever been strong on logic.

BS to you. I've seen it happen. Kids can be pretty damn mean.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

Where did I say that?

i never said you said it...i asked if you believe that as well since you believe one of the reasons gays should not marry or raise kids is because those kids would be made fun of....that is why i asked about dwarfs and retarded children because they get made fun of

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

It's a logical extension of your argument, not that you've ever been strong on logic.

you really have basis for talking to anyone about logic

 

[cancel2 2022]

BS to you. I've seen it happen. Kids can be pretty damn mean.

So what, t'was ever so. Do you only make laws because kids are stupid? Where do they get their attitudes from anyway? You have to change the parents and the kids will follow.

 

[TuTu Monroe]

i never said you said it...i asked if you believe that as well since you believe one of the reasons gays should not marry or raise kids is because those kids would be made fun of....that is why i asked about dwarfs and retarded children because they get made fun of

For the record, I don't care if gays get married. That's their business.

 

[cancel2 2022]

For the record, I don't care if gays get married. That's their business.

So why didn't you just say that in the first place?

 

[christiefan915]

BS to you. I've seen it happen. Kids can be pretty damn mean.

IMO, if a kid is mean anything is fodder for taunting another kid for.... looks, brains, athletic ability, family, etc. Mean kids aren't particular about their reasons for taunting.

 

[TuTu Monroe]

So why didn't you just say that in the first place?

Mainly, because I wanted to piss people like you off.

 

[christiefan915]

So what, t'was ever so. Do you only make laws because kids are stupid? Where do they get their attitudes from anyway? You have to change the parents and the kids will follow.

This is funny now but at the time...

Years ago I was driving in an unfamiliar area and not moving fast enough on an entrance ramp, so this pickup truck which was behind me passed on the right, and all four occupants gave me the finger--- mom, dad and two kids, ages approx. six and seven. You can just imagine how those kids grew up.