Obama is front runner now.

The Democratic Party was hijacked by Socialists...when and if they can take back the party will be the deciding factor in their ever being a Party that 'Middle America' can stomache...I do believe that Joe Liberman and maybe Biden is the last of the real Democrats in Office...maybe a few lesser knowns..but they have not made any lee way! imho

Lieberman is a true democrat ???

It would take a bushie to think that.
 
The Democratic Party was hijacked by Socialists...when and if they can take back the party will be the deciding factor in their ever being a Party that 'Middle America' can stomache...I do believe that Joe Liberman and maybe Biden is the last of the real Democrats in Office...maybe a few lesser knowns..but they have not made any lee way! imho


Go back and look at why Ike was so beloved and get back to us with some reality mmmkay.
 
I was right about Bush and his invasion of Iraq.
I was right about the banking deregulation causing problems.

and I am still right about you ;)



Wrong on GW...as for the Federal Reserve Bank...comment! I believe the Bank of London...aka Federal Reserve Bank...is a problemo to be dealt with...where is Andrew Jackson when you need him?
 
The Democratic Party was hijacked by Socialists...when and if they can take back the party will be the deciding factor in their ever being a Party that 'Middle America' can stomache...I do believe that Joe Liberman and maybe Biden is the last of the real Democrats in Office...maybe a few lesser knowns..but they have not made any lee way! imho

The demoncratic party was hijacked by corporate capitalists not socialists.
Sheesh...
 
Really...........

Go back and look at why Ike was so beloved and get back to us with some reality mmmkay.



Go back to school desh...ya been outta the loop way too long...Ike...humm...ever read the Eisenhower/Kennedy Papers ie:VN?


IKe and JFK were the last of the real democrats...everything else went down hill fast...the latest cadre' are nothing more than pure socialists...aka communists!...get a grip!
 
I love how Republicans seem to see this as some kind of personal victory for them. If the Democrats dont nominate Senator Clinton it will be fine with me. At least we did not do like the Republicans and nominate her because of the name... Like the R's did with Bush!
 
Wrong again as usual.............

The demoncratic party was hijacked by corporate capitalists not socialists.
Sheesh...


You were wrong on Nam,wrong on Kerry,wrong on Gore...and definetly wrong on this one...do a little homework on how and why the Federal Reserve Bank was established..and it's connection to the 'Bank of London'...


as for the other stupid hick comment...read the Eisenhower /Kennedy papers...they saw the imminent takeover of the party by socialists...read the papers then get back to me...until then take a beer break...kay!
 
I love how Republicans seem to see this as some kind of personal victory for them. If the Democrats dont nominate Senator Clinton it will be fine with me. At least we did not do like the Republicans and nominate her because of the name... Like the R's did with Bush!

Hardcore GOP partisans are praying for a Clinton candidacy; it is one of their few hopes to motivate their base the next time around. A Clinton candidacy will give them an excellent shot of taking back at least 1 house of Congress.
 
Just responding to all the Chimp, Huckleberry etc....

I don't think Jarod or Desh would argue that they are not Democrats.

You try to portray yourself as an independent, but then use Hitlary & Osama? That's right out of talk radio. You're not fooling anyone.
 
Obamas voting:

Strongly Favors topic 1:
Abortion is a woman's right
(+5 points on Social scale) Voted against banning partial birth abortion: Favors topic 1
Stem cells hold promise to cure 70 major diseases: Favors topic 1
Trust women to make own decisions on partial-birth abortion: Strongly Favors topic 1
Extend presumption of good faith to abortion protesters: Favors topic 1
Pass the Stem Cell Research Bill: Favors topic 1
Protect a woman's right to choose: Strongly Favors topic 1
Supports Roe v. Wade: Strongly Favors topic 1
YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives: Favors topic 1
NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions: Favors topic 1
YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines: Favors topic 1

I agree with him on all but minors.


Strongly Favors topic 2:
Require hiring more women & minorities
(-5 points on Economic scale) Better enforce women's pay equity via Equal Pay Act: Strongly Favors topic 2
Racial equality good for America as a whole: Favors topic 2
Supports affirmative action in colleges and government: Strongly Favors topic 2
America's race and class problems are intertwined: Favors topic 2

I agree except for im against affirmative action for the most part.

Strongly Favors topic 3:
Same-sex domestic partnership benefits
(+5 points on Social scale) We need strong civil unions, not just weak civil unions: Favors topic 3
Opposes gay marriage; supports civil union & gay equality: Favors topic 3
Marriage not a human right; non-discrimination is: Favors topic 3
Include sexual orientation in anti-discrimination laws: Favors topic 3
NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage: Strongly Favors topic 3

I don’t care about this issue.

Opposes topic 4:
Teacher-led prayer in public schools
(+2 points on Social scale) Listening to evangelicals bridges major political fault line: Favors topic 4
Religious concerns ok, if translated into universal values: Opposes topic 4
NO on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration: Opposes topic 4

Im against prayer in public school.
Favors topic 5:
More federal funding for health coverage
(-3 points on Economic scale) Increase competition in the insurance and drug markets: Opposes topic 5 – I disagree.
National Health Insurance Exchange for private coverage: Opposes topic 5 – disagree
National insurance pool & catastrophic insurance: Strongly Favors topic 5 - agree
The market alone can't solve our health-care woes: Favors topic 5 - agree
Crises happen in our lives and healthcare is necessary: Strongly Favors topic 5 - agree
Believes health care is a right, not a privilege for the few: Favors topic 5 - agree
Will expand health coverage & allow meds to be re-imported: Favors topic 5 - agree
Ensure access to basic care: Favors topic 5 -agree
YES on increasing Medicaid rebate for producing generics: Favors topic 5 -agree
YES on negotiating bulk purchases for Medicare prescription drug: Strongly Favors topic 5 -agree
YES on expanding enrollment period for Medicare Part D: Favors topic 5 - agree
YES on requiring negotiated Rx prices for Medicare part D: Favors topic 5 - agree

Important issue to me.. see comments. He is not necessarily for national healthcare like Hillary-care from what I have herd.



Strongly Opposes topic 6:
Privatize Social Security
(-5 points on Economic scale) Privatization puts retirement at whim of stock market: Strongly Opposes topic 6 – I agree based on bush’s scam plan he showed us.
Stop any efforts to privatize Social Security: Strongly Opposes topic 6 – agree see above.
No privatization; but consider earning cap over $97,500: Strongly Opposes topic 6 – see notes
Stock market risk is ok, but not for Social Security: Strongly Opposes topic 6 - agree
$2000 tax credit for Working Families Savings Accounts: Opposes topic 6 - disagree
NO on establishing reserve funds & pre-funding for Social Security: Opposes topic 6 - disagree

He has come out and said he wants to lift cap to make all earnings subject.. but will put a donut in to shield middle class. We have to make a sacrifice here to save social security. It’s the best plan I have herd on either side thus far.



Opposes topic 7:
Parents choose schools via vouchers
(-3 points on Economic scale) Guarantee affordable life-long, top-notch education: Opposes topic 7
Supports charter schools and private investment in schools: Favors topic 7
YES on $5B for grants to local educational agencies: Opposes topic 7

I think we should do it differently. If your school sucks and is below a certain level you should be able to send your kid to private and write off the cost regardless of income level. Additionally I think there should be standardized lesson plans implemented into troubled schools. Good schools should have flexibility to not standardize.


Opposes topic 8:
Death Penalty
(+2 points on Social scale) Some heinous crimes justify the ultimate punishment: Favors topic 8
Videotape all capital punishment interrogations: Opposes topic 8
Battles legislatively against the death penalty: Strongly Opposes topic 8

Whatever costs tax payers less. Prison or Death. I don’t care about criminals.

Strongly Opposes topic 9:
Mandatory Three Strikes sentencing laws
(+5 points on Social scale) Supports alternative sentencing and rehabilitation: Strongly Opposes topic 9
YES on reinstating $1.15 billion funding for the COPS Program: Opposes topic 9

I don’t agree with three strikes.. especially for drug crimes that don’t hurt anyone.

Strongly Opposes topic 10:
Absolute right to gun ownership
(-5 points on Economic scale) Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality: Strongly Opposes topic 10
Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions: Strongly Opposes topic 10
NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers: Strongly Opposes topic 10

This is biggest difference I have with him.. Tho Guliani is the same on republican side. I look at this like I look at abortion.. Pubs are against it.. but frankly they cant overturn it.. He wont be able to take my guns away.

Strongly Favors topic 11:
Repeal tax cuts on wealthy
(-5 points on Economic scale) Bush tax cuts help corporations but not middle class: Strongly Favors topic 11 - Agree
Tax cuts for the rich do not create jobs: Favors topic 11 - Disagree
NO on extending the tax cuts on capital gains and dividends: Strongly Favors topic 11 - Disagree
YES on $47B for military by repealing capital gains tax cut: Favors topic 11 - disagree
NO on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends: Strongly Favors topic 11 - disagree
NO on permanently repealing the `death tax`: Strongly Favors topic 11 - disagree
NO on supporting permanence of estate tax cuts: Strongly Favors topic 11 - disagree
NO on raising estate tax exemption to $5 million: Strongly Favors topic 11 - - disagree
NO on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax: Strongly Favors topic 11 – disagree.

This is a tricky one since his record would indicate total mis-match for me. But I know that a lot of these were republican bills that had ad-ins.. etc.. And based on his current ramblings. He recognizes middle class is like up to 200K.. A huge step.. and wants to keep tax cut for middle class just not for rich.

Favors topic 12:
Illegal immigrants earn citizenship
(+2 points on Social scale) Support granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants: Favors topic 12 - disagree
Reform must include more border security, and border wall: Opposes topic 12
Pathway to citizenship, but people have to earn it: Favors topic 12 - agree
Give immigrants who are here a rigorous path to citizenship: Favors topic 12 -
Extend welfare and Medicaid to immigrants: Favors topic 12 – agree so long as they are leagal
YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security: Strongly Favors topic 12 - disagree
YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship: Strongly Favors topic 12 - agree
YES on establishing a Guest Worker program: Favors topic 12 - agree
YES on building a fence along the Mexican border: Strongly Opposes topic 12 - disagree
NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government: Strongly Favors topic 12 - disagree
YES on comprehensive immigration reform: Strongly Favors topic 12 - agree

My opinion is that illegal’s are granted visas and put on path to citizenship if they are working and paying taxes. If they are not working ship em home. And absolutely no free benefits out of my pocket. We don’t need other countries degenerates as we have enough of our own.

Opposes topic 13:
Support & expand free trade
(-3 points on Economic scale) Stand firm against CAFTA for labor & environmental standards: Strongly Opposes topic 13
People don't want cheaper T-shirts if it costs their job: Opposes topic 13
Amend NAFTA to add labor agreements: Opposes topic 13
Fair trade should have tangible benefits for US: Strongly Opposes topic 13
Tax incentives to create jobs at home instead of offshore: Opposes topic 13
NO on implementing CAFTA for Central America free-trade: Strongly Opposes topic 13
YES on free trade agreement with Oman: Strongly Favors topic 13

You can oppose all you want.. but all that will do is isolate us as we watch other countries economies grow. Eventually we have to accept globalization and utilize our regional areas.

Strongly Favors topic 14:
The Patriot Act harms civil liberties
(+5 points on Social scale) The politics of fear undermines basic civil liberties: Strongly Favors topic 14
America cannot sanction torture; no loopholes or exceptions: Strongly Favors topic 14
Close Guantanamo and restore the right of habeas corpus: Strongly Favors topic 14
NO on extending the PATRIOT Act's wiretap provision: Strongly Favors topic 14
YES on reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act: Opposes topic 14
YES on preserving habeus corpus for Guantanamo detainees: Strongly Favors topic 14
YES on requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods: Strongly Favors topic 14

I say we don’t torture or waterboard enemies that abide by rules of war.. those that don’t like terrorists are fair game. Rule should be only if they do it first.

Favors topic 15:
Expand the armed forces
(-3 points on Social scale) Grow size of military to maintain rotation schedules: Favors topic 15
Give our soldiers the best equipment and training available: Favors topic 15

agree

Strongly Favors topic 16:
Stricter limits on political campaign funds
(-5 points on Economic scale) Public campaign financing with free television & radio time: Strongly Favors topic 16
No "bundled" money from federal-registered lobbyists: Favors topic 16
People know his "bundlers" because he pushed disclosure law: Favors topic 16
First bill ever passed was campaign finance reform: Strongly Favors topic 16
Lobbyist influence comes from access, not money: Favors topic 16
YES on establishing the Senate Office of Public Integrity: Favors topic 16
NO on allowing some lobbyist gifts to Congress: Strongly Favors topic 16

Agree

Favors topic 17:
US out of Iraq
(+2 points on Social scale) US policy should promote democracy and human rights: Favors topic 17
War in Iraq is "dumb" but troops still need equipment: Strongly Favors topic 17
We are playing to Osama's plan for winning a war from a cave: Strongly Favors topic 17
NO on redeploying troops out of Iraq by July 2007: Strongly Opposes topic 17
YES on redeploying US troops out of Iraq by March 2008: Strongly Favors topic 17


Agree with his iraq ideas.
Strongly Favors topic 18:
Replace coal & oil with alternatives
(-5 points on Economic scale) 3-way win: economy, environment, & stop funding terror: Strongly Favors topic 18
Sponsored legislations that improve energy efficiency: Favors topic 18
20% renewable energy by 2020: Strongly Favors topic 18
Invest in alternative energy sources: Favors topic 18
Increase CAFE to 40 mpg: Strongly Favors topic 18
Renewable Fuels Standard: require ethanol in fuel supply: Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on reducing oil usage by 40% by 2025 (instead of 5%): Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on disallowing an oil leasing program in Alaska's ANWR: Strongly Favors topic 18
YES on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge: Favors topic 18
YES on factoring global warming into federal project planning: Favors topic 18
YES on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies: Strongly Favors topic 18

Agree with most everything here.

No opinion on topic 19:
Drug use is immoral: enforce laws against it
(0 points on Social scale) 2001: questions harsh penalties for drug dealing: Opposes topic 19
Smokes cigarettes now; smoked some pot in high school: Favors topic 19
Admitted marijuana use in high school & college: Favors topic 19
Deal with street-level drug dealing as minimum-wage affair: Opposes topic 19

Im against drug penalties. Hes prob best chance to legalize pot.

Favors topic 20:
Allow churches to provide welfare services
(+2 points on Economic scale) Reach out to faith community;faith has role in public square: Favors topic 20
Engages people of faith on all aspects of his public service: Favors topic 20
Black churches minister to social needs out of necessity: Favors topic 20

Agree.
 
So by this diatribe..............

you are a one issue party supporter..damn the torpedos full steam ahead...sex-sex-sex...the hell with National Security ...go figure!


Ya really need to go out more often...get laid then get real...kay!:rolleyes:
 
I think they thought the drugs thing would get him but I think as a country we are over this unless the guy was trafficking drugs. Drug use that looks like Youthful experimentation is no big deal anymore. Nor is the fact that your president had a DWI
 
It is a big deal.............

I think they thought the drugs thing would get him but I think as a country we are over this unless the guy was trafficking drugs. Drug use that looks like Youthful experimentation is no big deal anymore. Nor is the fact that your president had a DWI

I am not going to go point to point what who did what in their youth...but personally I would like to see a Presidential Candidate that had a clean record in their youth as well as as a adult..shows alot about a person...a lost art ...no?
 
I think it's way to early to anoint Obama. It is funny that Clinton is hated by the far left as much as she is by the far right.
Edwards is right there as well in Iowa. Why? Because he shot his wad of cash there as Obama did hoping to get some momentum. Edwards polls 11% nationally and Obama is 20% down to Clinton as well. Keep saying what the majority of dems think Nationally doesn't matter. :clink:
 
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