Obama passing the buck?

[Canceled1]

Yeah, if you are going to say he was incompetent in his role you have an obligation to know what that role was and how he was incompetent in it. He was on vacation at Crawford when Blanco asked him to issue a State of Emergency...he did so immediately. His vacation consisted of speaking engagements in CA. He cut his so called vacation short and went immediately back to DC vie a fly-over of the ravaged area when he was apprised of situation.

So again, what was his role as president and where/how was he incompetent in it?

What a db

 

[Canceled2]

What a db

definitely a 40 watter

 

[Onceler]

Yeah, if you are going to say he was incompetent in his role you have an obligation to know what that role was and how he was incompetent in it. He was on vacation at Crawford when Blanco asked him to issue a State of Emergency...he did so immediately. His vacation consisted of speaking engagements in CA. He cut his so called vacation short and went immediately back to DC via a fly-over of the ravaged area when he was apprised of situation.

So again, what was his role as president and where/how was he incompetent in it?

Wanna know what his role as President was? His role as leaderrr? His role as deciderrr?

Well, if I'm Prez, and I'm at my ranch, and I turn on the TV and see thousands of people stranded in a flood, I guess the first thing I do is try to fill the void of leadership that filled the airwaves for literally days. I don't whine that somewhat at a mayoral level should be handling the situation. I pick up the big red phone, and call in the cavalry, and make sure that the thousands of people who are stranded in a flood aren't stranded anymore. I make sure that people know that someone is handling this situation, someone is in charge, and help is on the way, with bells on.

That's what I do.

But that's not what Bush did.

 

[Onceler]

And ID, your characterization of a Prez who cancelled everything and went immediately to DC is nothing more than a big ol' lie. Cake with McCain, a visit to AZ to promote drug legislation, a visit to CA to do the same. Blanco calls Bush to let him know it's an emergency..."Mr. President, we need everything you've got." Bush goes to bed.

Bush returns to Crawford for the rest of his vaca, after playing some guitar with a country music guy. 2 days after Blanco's request, he organizes a task force to coordinate the fed response.

 

[Canceled2]

Wanna know what his role as President was? His role as leaderrr? His role as deciderrr?

Well, if I'm Prez, and I'm at my ranch, and I turn on the TV and see thousands of people stranded in a flood, I guess the first thing I do is try to fill the void of leadership that filled the airwaves for literally days. I don't whine that somewhat at a mayoral level should be handling the situation. I pick up the big red phone, and call in the cavalry, and make sure that the thousands of people who are stranded in a flood aren't stranded anymore. I make sure that people know that someone is handling this situation, someone is in charge, and help is on the way, with bells on.

That's what I do.

But that's not what Bush did.

What void was that onceler? Let's see he is bound by federal law to respond to the governor of LA's requests...he does spo immediately! He advises the governor to issue mandatory evacutations...she vascillates and finally does so, only to be put off by the mayor. The head of DHS, Chertoff keeps the president advised and he responds accordingly. Within two days he is back in DC making certain that all emergency rescources are available...LA refuses entrance to the Red Cross into New `Orleans and forces the Feds to follow LA state law, slowing down the initial efforts of federal rescue workers. Bush is on the ground in the flooded areas within days promising funding and aid...which was forthecoming!

Your responses throughout this exchange have been weak and lacking any kind of facts. You have failed to stae any kind of actual specifics on Bush's part with regards to Katrina and instead have relied upon finger pointing generalizations that hold no water.

 

[Onceler]

You need to look at the timeline again, ID.

And ID, your characterization of a Prez who cancelled everything and went immediately to DC is nothing more than a big ol' lie. Cake with McCain, a visit to AZ to promote drug legislation, a visit to CA to do the same. Blanco calls Bush to let him know it's an emergency..."Mr. President, we need everything you've got." Bush goes to bed.

Bush returns to Crawford for the rest of his vaca, after playing some guitar with a country music guy. 2 days after Blanco's request, he organizes a task force to coordinate the fed response.

Even Bush admits his mistakes, and the lack of adequate response from FEMA. I'm amazed you're arguing this the way you are; it's like you existed on a different planet at that time. You're probably one of those that thinks the Dems pushed Bush into Iraq, also.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

mott, no offense, but you are one of the biggest partisan hacks on this board, that you need to tell onceler he pwned me is like a gift....thank you

and tell me, was the response adequate? of course not, the spill is larger than anticipated, so, like katrina, the federal government has not prepared for the scale of damage....yet bush was called a racist and blamed....obama gets a pass....i don't expect you to be honest and admit it, i'm sure we will be treated to yet another yurt is pwned in this thread

hack

Partisan? Hell son I've voted for more Republicans then you have so don't lay that "You're a partisan" crap on me just because you're so laughably wrong on this debate.

First this isn't a natural disaster it's a man made one. Second, your obsolving BP of their responsibility for this disaster out of pure partisanship. Third, were it not for the Federal response BP would still be sitting on it's ass and thinking about how to protect their profits. Fourthly the Federal Katrina response or lack their of and it's catastrophic consequences were so socially stratified that the racial implications for Bush and his administration were certainly justified and lastly, yes, Oncie has owned your ass on this topic. You're making a fool of your self.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

BS, when were you ever worried what it cost the taxpayer?

Are you kidding me? Reckless spending and utter disregard for the national debt and the complete stupidity of Republicans eliminating Pay Go were major factors in my leaving the Republican Party (Invading Iraq was the final straw). You haven't been paying attention if you don't realize that I'm one of the biggest deficit hawks on this board. I'm all for both cutting spending (including programs I support) and raising taxes to eliminate our national debt.

The thing that amazes me over the last 30 years is that Democrats went from being "Tax and Spend welfare state liberals to left of center moderates" and Republicans have went from "Pro business right of center moderates to war hawking, Cut Taxes and Spend even more then Democrats, authoritarian right wing extremist."

Thirty years ago who would have thought that Democrats would become the party of fiscal responsibility but compared to modern Republicans, that's exactly what has happened.

 

[DamnYankee]

This is Obama's "Katrina". When will he act?

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Eh; say whatever you want. The history books are written on Katrina, the verdict is in, and your version didn't make the cut. Bush was slow to respond publicly, assured them beforehand that they were ready for anything, and appointed a horse trainer to the HEAD OF FEMA, because he was an ol' pal.

I can't think of an incident in Presidential history that so fully embodies the defining characteristic of a given administration: in Bush's case, incompetence. The man was in way over his head, from day 1.

You know that was exactly my fear from day one about Bush. Can you imagine where our nation would be if McCain had won the nomination back in 2000? How much better off we would have been? Not that McCain would have been the second coming of Abe Lincoln by any stretch of the imagination but I knew that this wasn't a job that was over his head as I feared it would (and turned out to be) for Bush. What a shame. It's discouraging what it says about the American public that they could make a nitwit like Bush the head of state. Well my conscience is clean. I voted for McCain in the 2000 Republican primary.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

you need to get your facts straight on brown's hire history...he was confirmed by the senate, he was also deputy director before he was the head of fema and he was hired by joe allbaugh as general counsel before that...and it was chertoff that put him in charge of katrina

you've dishonestly portrayed his hire history in this thread

You're doing a fine job Brownie!

 

[DamnYankee]

It's discouraging what it says about the American public that they could make a nitwit like Bush the head of state.

Obama is incredibly less qualified an has proven his incompetence many times in just one year.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

What leftist dimwits do is try and make Bush out to be incompetent with regards to Katrina. The main failure of Katrina rests with the the liberal leaders of LA who refused to evacuate their people when BUSH ADVISED that they do so!!!

Bush was on the ground in the flood zones asap. Let's see, Obama, is waiting 12 days after this disaster to do a fly over, Bush took 2. The comparison to Haiti still stands...Of course it was more important to cram health care down our throats then to give a fist hand visit of encouragement to the Haitian's...

It is this lack of ability to accept accountability for their fuck ups and short comings that has alienated so many people from Republicans.

Listen to what you are saying. There were fuck ups and plenty of blame to go around but ultimately in a NATIONAL EMERGENCY it is the federal government that bears responsibility for adequately responding to that emergency and the fact that the State of LA, MS and AL state responses may have been inadequate (though to state the obvious they also lack the Feds resources) it was still ultimately the responsibility of the Bush administration to respond appropriately and adequatly to the Katrina disaster. The book is out and all ready written on that and the facts are in. They performed ineptly and incompetently and the people of the Gulf Coast suffered tremendously as a consequence. So you can play "Pass the buck" all you want to but that sort of Fox News partisan propaganda doesn't fly.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Wanna know what his role as President was? His role as leaderrr? His role as deciderrr?

Well, if I'm Prez, and I'm at my ranch, and I turn on the TV and see thousands of people stranded in a flood, I guess the first thing I do is try to fill the void of leadership that filled the airwaves for literally days. I don't whine that somewhat at a mayoral level should be handling the situation. I pick up the big red phone, and call in the cavalry, and make sure that the thousands of people who are stranded in a flood aren't stranded anymore. I make sure that people know that someone is handling this situation, someone is in charge, and help is on the way, with bells on.

That's what I do.

But that's not what Bush did.

I think what disgusted me most about Bush during Katrina was he was more concerned about turning loose his propaganda attack machine to blame the mess on anyone but his administration then he was about making the neccessary responses to the situation. He was more concerned about passing the buck and blaming others then he was about helping the peoples of the gulf coast.

 

[DamnYankee]

First Haiti, now this oil spill. This is an abomination; an Obamanation.

 

[DamnYankee]

It's been argued that Hurricane Katrina was one of George W. Bush's biggest organizational failures, for the tragedy was allowed to fester on for way too long before his much-vaunted homeland security apparatus sprang into action.

Will the oil spill in the gulf -- which some suspect could be worse than Exxon Valdez -- be the equivalent for Barack Obama?

Today the story got elevated to national emergency level, but the explosion on the rig happened eight days ago!

While numerous investigations will no doubt be launched into the companies behind the rig (BP, Transocean), will anyone ask what the DHS and The White House have been doing for 8 days, while an ecological disaster was unfolding in such a sensitive region?

We're guessing that unlike Bush, Obama will largely get a pass. Katrina played into a narrative of Bush ignoring the plight of the poor and African-Americans. Nobody is suggesting that Obama is bad on the environment. Also, just generally, an ecological disaster won't elicit the same kind of emotional response as a human tragedy (for good reason).

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/deepwarter-horizon-obamas-katrina-2010-4#ixzz0mmFJJOiO

 

[TuTu Monroe]

Wanna know what his role as President was? His role as leaderrr? His role as deciderrr?

Well, if I'm Prez, and I'm at my ranch, and I turn on the TV and see thousands of people stranded in a flood, I guess the first thing I do is try to fill the void of leadership that filled the airwaves for literally days. I don't whine that somewhat at a mayoral level should be handling the situation. I pick up the big red phone, and call in the cavalry, and make sure that the thousands of people who are stranded in a flood aren't stranded anymore. I make sure that people know that someone is handling this situation, someone is in charge, and help is on the way, with bells on.

That's what I do.

But that's not what Bush did.
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Spare us the drama.

Experts have said when natural disasters strike, it is the primary responsibility of state and local governments, not the federal government to respond.

Louisiana had an evacuation plan in place months before this happened. Bottom line is they didn't follow it and more than likely never read it.

 

[Canceled2]

It is this lack of ability to accept accountability for their fuck ups and short comings that has alienated so many people from Republicans.

Listen to what you are saying. There were fuck ups and plenty of blame to go around but ultimately in a NATIONAL EMERGENCY it is the federal government that bears responsibility for adequately responding to that emergency and the fact that the State of LA, MS and AL state responses may have been inadequate (though to state the obvious they also lack the Feds resources) it was still ultimately the responsibility of the Bush administration to respond appropriately and adequatly to the Katrina disaster. The book is out and all ready written on that and the facts are in. They performed ineptly and incompetently and the people of the Gulf Coast suffered tremendously as a consequence. So you can play "Pass the buck" all you want to but that sort of Fox News partisan propaganda doesn't fly.

Another finger pointing idgit chimes in:

The response of the president was to officially declare a "State of Emergency" when so requested by the state governor. Bush DID EXACTLY THAT. This put into legal motion ALL federal rescources available to assist the governors of such states...that fucking happened! The lame stream media whooped up assholiness fingerpointing like the anti republican Monday morning QB''s that they have become and it is this finger pointing you also do...

NOW: Be specific Mott, what did Bush do or not do that made him incompetent with regards to Katrina? As president what was his job and how did he, according to you, fail to carry that out???

 

[Canceled2]

You need to look at the timeline again, ID.

And ID, your characterization of a Prez who cancelled everything and went immediately to DC is nothing more than a big ol' lie. Cake with McCain, a visit to AZ to promote drug legislation, a visit to CA to do the same. Blanco calls Bush to let him know it's an emergency..."Mr. President, we need everything you've got." Bush goes to bed.

Bush returns to Crawford for the rest of his vaca, after playing some guitar with a country music guy. 2 days after Blanco's request, he organizes a task force to coordinate the fed response.

Even Bush admits his mistakes, and the lack of adequate response from FEMA. I'm amazed you're arguing this the way you are; it's like you existed on a different planet at that time. You're probably one of those that thinks the Dems pushed Bush into Iraq, also.

Your timeline is felacious and meant to portray a lack of concern. Bush declared a State of Emergency 2 days prior to Katrina's landfall upon the request of the Governor of LA! That's the law Mott...that's how the roles of power between the state and feds are divided and how a State of Emergency is properly made! He was kept abreast of everything going on by Chertoff. He continued on with his pre-scheduled itenerary until day 2 after Katrina in which he cut his so called vacation short and flew back to DC via the ravaged area~~~ Blanco and the other governors were in direct contact with him throughout the ordeal...

Again, what was he required to do and how did he fail to do it???

 

[zappasguitar]

Yeah, if you are going to say he was incompetent in his role you have an obligation to know what that role was and how he was incompetent in it. He was on vacation at Crawford when Blanco asked him to issue a State of Emergency...he did so immediately. His vacation consisted of speaking engagements in CA. He cut his so called vacation short and went immediately back to DC via a fly-over of the ravaged area when he was apprised of situation.

So again, what was his role as president and where/how was he incompetent in it?

Your timeline is felacious and meant to portray a lack of concern. Bush declared a State of Emergency 2 days prior to Katrina's landfall upon the request of the Governor of LA! That's the law Mott...that's how the roles of power between the state and feds are divided and how a State of Emergency is properly made! He was kept abreast of everything going on by Chertoff. He continued on with his pre-scheduled itenerary until day 2 after Katrina in which he cut his so called vacation short and flew back to DC via the ravaged area~~~ Blanco and the other governors were in direct contact with him throughout the ordeal...

Again, what was he required to do and how did he fail to do it???

Once again we get ID talking out of both sides of her two faces.

Two quotes from you ID, so which time were you lying to cover Dubya's idiocy?