Obama refused to support rape victims

http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/25/f...tecting-rape-victims-in-99-state-senate-vote/

In a 1999 legislative vote, then-Illinois State Senator Barack Obama was the sole state senator to not vote for for a bill that would protect sexual assault victims from having the details of their cases revealed publicly.

On May 11 of that year, Obama voted “present” on a bill, ultimately made law, that allows victims of sex crimes to request that their cases be sealed from public view following a criminal conviction. Illinois Senate voting records show that Obama was the only senator who did not vote in favor of the bill.

Obama’s unique objection to voting for a bill meant to protect victims of sex crimes is a substantial departure from the picture he has attempted to paint for women voters.

The future president, it was reported then, questioned the bill’s constitutionality.

The legislation’s intent was to prevent public consumption of the explicit details of sex crimes without “good cause.”

“Under the bill, the trials involving sex crimes would remain open, but upon a conviction, a victim of a sex crime could ask a state’s attorney to petition a judge to seal the records of the case,” reporter Joe Mahr wrote for The State Journal-Register. “If the judge agreed, the public could not open those records unless someone petitioned the court and showed good cause.”

The Illinois Coalition Against Sexual Assault led the charge for the law, Mahr reported, adding that the group “pushed the bill after a victim’s co-worker researched the details of her assault in court files. The victim later realized, to her horror, that anyone could look up court files on criminal cases, including sex crimes.”

A contingent of schoolchildren from Obama’s Chicago district were in attendance as Obama voted “present.”

Mere minutes before, Obama had announced their presence to the Illinois State Senate chamber.

“I am pleased to say that we have today some schoolchildren from my district, for the Ancona School in Hyde Park/Kenwood area,” Obama said, according to Senate transcripts. “These are seventh and eighth graders who worked on a history project all year and are down here to observe the workings of the Senate in the State Capitol,” he said.

Obama would later vote “present” on the bill a second time when it returned to the state Senate Judiciary Committee, following passage by the state House. In that committee vote, two other state senators joined Obama in voting “present.”

As he runs for re-election, Obama has made women’s rights — and a supposed Republican “war on women” — a focal point of his campaign. Rape-related gaffes from Republican Senate candidates like Richard Mourdock in Indiana and Rep. Todd Akin in Missouri have become springboards for Obama’s attempts to drive a political wedge between Republicans and women voters.

In a Wednesday interview with comedian Jay Leno, for instance, Obama bashed Mourdock, who implied this week that abortion should not be a viable choice for women who are raped because procreation in such cases is still an act of God’s will.
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I think we need to start asking all of these Democrat Congressmen running for reelection, if they are going to "distance themselves" from Obama? Surely they can't support him on refusing to help rape victims.
 
I see you are up to the same old tricks Dixie...lies, propaganda and ignorance.

"Eighty percent of Republicans are just Democrats that don't know what's going on"
Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

Here is your problem Dixie, you are getting information from right wing propaganda sources that LIE and distort the facts.

Here are the FACTS:

In 1999, then State Senator Obama signed on as a CO-SPONSOR of Illinois Senate bill SB0943 on March 17, 1999

The bill that would allow victims of sexual abuse to "request that the State's Attorney file a petition with the trial judge to have the court records of the case sealed. And, mandated examinations of sexual abuse victims by hospitals.

Then State Senator Obama joined his Senate colleagues in unanimously passing SB943 on March 23, 1999

Meanwhile, a separate bill originating in the House, HB0854, which contained identical language about the confidentiality of sexual abuse records but did not include a separate provision of the Senate bill related to mandated examinations of sexual abuse victims by hospitals, unanimously passed the House on March 23, 1999, and then moved to the Senate for consideration.

Then State Senator Obama voted "present" on the House version of the bill.

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So, Dixie, your source blatantly LIED to you. They tried to feed you a bunch of SHIT. Now, how long are you going to continue to swallow it, before you question the agenda of the source, because it is certainly not truth.
 
I see you are up to the same old tricks Dixie...lies, propaganda and ignorance.

"Eighty percent of Republicans are just Democrats that don't know what's going on"
Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

Here is your problem Dixie, you are getting information from right wing propaganda sources that LIE and distort the facts.

Here are the FACTS:

In 1999, then State Senator Obama signed on as a CO-SPONSOR of Illinois Senate bill SB0943 on March 17, 1999

The bill that would allow victims of sexual abuse to "request that the State's Attorney file a petition with the trial judge to have the court records of the case sealed. And, mandated examinations of sexual abuse victims by hospitals.

Then State Senator Obama joined his Senate colleagues in unanimously passing SB943 on March 23, 1999

Meanwhile, a separate bill originating in the House, HB0854, which contained identical language about the confidentiality of sexual abuse records but did not include a separate provision of the Senate bill related to mandated examinations of sexual abuse victims by hospitals, unanimously passed the House on March 23, 1999, and then moved to the Senate for consideration.

Then State Senator Obama voted "present" on the House version of the bill.

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So, Dixie, your source blatantly LIED to you. They tried to feed you a bunch of SHIT. Now, how long are you going to continue to swallow it, before you question the agenda of the source, because it is certainly not truth.

Welcome back!
 
I see you are up to the same old tricks Dixie...lies, propaganda and ignorance.

"Eighty percent of Republicans are just Democrats that don't know what's going on"
Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

Here is your problem Dixie, you are getting information from right wing propaganda sources that LIE and distort the facts.

Here are the FACTS:

In 1999, then State Senator Obama signed on as a CO-SPONSOR of Illinois Senate bill SB0943 on March 17, 1999

The bill that would allow victims of sexual abuse to "request that the State's Attorney file a petition with the trial judge to have the court records of the case sealed. And, mandated examinations of sexual abuse victims by hospitals.

Then State Senator Obama joined his Senate colleagues in unanimously passing SB943 on March 23, 1999

Meanwhile, a separate bill originating in the House, HB0854, which contained identical language about the confidentiality of sexual abuse records but did not include a separate provision of the Senate bill related to mandated examinations of sexual abuse victims by hospitals, unanimously passed the House on March 23, 1999, and then moved to the Senate for consideration.

Then State Senator Obama voted "present" on the House version of the bill.

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So, Dixie, your source blatantly LIED to you. They tried to feed you a bunch of SHIT. Now, how long are you going to continue to swallow it, before you question the agenda of the source, because it is certainly not truth.


If you go to the links, and actually do some reading, you will see that the bill Obama co-sponsored, was VETOED by the Governor. It id not pass. AND... you have conveniently switched the context of the two bills, the one Obama co-sponsored, which never was enacted and was vetoed by the governor, stipulated the test kits were mandatory. From the text of Obama's bill:

Amends the Sexual Assault Survivors Emergency Treatment Act.
Requires hospitals to receive the sexual assault evidence collection
kits (now the hospitals must request the kits). Provides that the
hospitals must conduct appropriate medical examinations and laboratory
tests in cases of alleged sexual assaults (now the alleged sexual
assault survivor must consent to the examinations and tests).
Provides that the examinations and tests must be maintained by the
hospital and made available to law enforcement officials, regardless
of the consent of the alleged sexual assault survivor (now the alleged
sexual assault survivor must request it).

The OTHER bill, which Obama voted "present" on, was the bill which was unanimously supported (save for Obama), and passed into law. It did NOT contain the above mentioned amendment. But I have to admit, it was very clever of you to do the old switcharoo here, and try to fool people... it almost worked!
 
So actually we see Bfgn are up to his same old tricks of lies, propaganda and ignorance and mis-direction......
 
If you go to the links, and actually do some reading, you will see that the bill Obama co-sponsored, was VETOED by the Governor. It id not pass. AND... you have conveniently switched the context of the two bills, the one Obama co-sponsored, which never was enacted and was vetoed by the governor, stipulated the test kits were mandatory. From the text of Obama's bill:

Amends the Sexual Assault Survivors Emergency Treatment Act.
Requires hospitals to receive the sexual assault evidence collection
kits (now the hospitals must request the kits). Provides that the
hospitals must conduct appropriate medical examinations and laboratory
tests in cases of alleged sexual assaults (now the alleged sexual
assault survivor must consent to the examinations and tests).
Provides that the examinations and tests must be maintained by the
hospital and made available to law enforcement officials, regardless
of the consent of the alleged sexual assault survivor (now the alleged
sexual assault survivor must request it).

The OTHER bill, which Obama voted "present" on, was the bill which was unanimously supported (save for Obama), and passed into law. It did NOT contain the above mentioned amendment. But I have to admit, it was very clever of you to do the old switcharoo here, and try to fool people... it almost worked!

There was no switcharoo Dixie. I gave embedded links to each bill and each vote. The world of reality happens in chronological order, not in some random order that fits your LIE...LOOK at the dates. The Governor never addressed the bill until 4 months later.

The Senate version of the bill -- which also would have mandated examinations of victims by hospitals -- was ultimately vetoed by then-Gov. George Ryan (R) on July 23, but Ryan signed the House version of the bill into law on July 29.

WHY would Obama vote 'yes' for a bill that does LESS for rape victims? Your premise that 'Obama refused to support rape victims' is a bald-faced lie Dixie. Your source knew it, and now you know it. You can wiggle, lie and waffle all you want. You lied.
 
There was no switcharoo Dixie. I gave embedded links to each bill and each vote. The world of reality happens in chronological order, not in some random order that fits your LIE...LOOK at the dates. The Governor never addressed the bill until 4 months later.

The Senate version of the bill -- which also would have mandated examinations of victims by hospitals -- was ultimately vetoed by then-Gov. George Ryan (R) on July 23, but Ryan signed the House version of the bill into law on July 29.

WHY would Obama vote 'yes' for a bill that does LESS for rape victims? Your premise that 'Obama refused to support rape victims' is a bald-faced lie Dixie. Your source knew it, and now you know it. You can wiggle, lie and waffle all you want. You lied.

Look, you posted the links to the actual bill themselves, anyone can go read what you posted. The bill that Obama co-sponsored, was vetoed and never passed into law. It stipulated mandatory testing, the other bill, which Obama voted "present" on, was passed into law, and did NOT include this provision. You have switched the two bills around, and tried to pretend Obama co-sponsored the bill that passed, and that's just not the case, as can be seen by the actual text of the bills you posted.
 
The Senate (OBAMA CO-SPONSORED) version of the bill -- which also would have mandated examinations of victims by hospitals -- was ultimately vetoed by then-Gov. George Ryan (R) on July 23, but Ryan signed the House version of the bill (OBAMA VOTED "PRESENT") into law on July 29.

Obama was a SENATOR... not a Representative in the House!

Thanks for clarifying you have conveniently SWITCHED the two versions!
 
Obama was a SENATOR... not a Representative in the House!

Thanks for clarifying you have conveniently SWITCHED the two versions!

Hello, earth to Dixie...I never 'switched' any versions. You just re-posted what I posted...

From the April 28, 1999, report in the State Journal-Register:


Both the House and the Senate had unanimously passed separate bills with the same language last month. Both bills then switched chambers to be considered again.

The Senate Judiciary Committee Tuesday passed the House bill, 7-0, with Obama and two others voting present. But at the same time, the full House unanimously passed the Senate bill, which had the same language, so that bill is headed to Ryan's desk.
 
Hello, Earth to Bfoon... I posted your exact words, from your exact source, and it confirms what I said and contradicts what you said.

Obama co-sponsored the Senate bill, which was VETOED! It included an amendment to make testing mandatory, contradicting what you claimed. The version which passed and was signed into law (not VETOED) was the House version, which Obama couldn't have co-sponsored because he wasn't in the House. He voted "present" on that one. You tried to switch the two around and make a false claim, and I called you on it, using your OWN source and OWN words.

Tack another chunk of Bfoon ass on Dixies Wall of Fame!

Good day!
 
Hello, Earth to Bfoon... I posted your exact words, from your exact source, and it confirms what I said and contradicts what you said.

Obama co-sponsored the Senate bill, which was VETOED! It included an amendment to make testing mandatory, contradicting what you claimed. The version which passed and was signed into law (not VETOED) was the House version, which Obama couldn't have co-sponsored because he wasn't in the House. He voted "present" on that one. You tried to switch the two around and make a false claim, and I called you on it, using your OWN source and OWN words.

Tack another chunk of Bfoon ass on Dixies Wall of Fame!

Good day!

Hey Dixie, maybe you just forgot this part of the bill Obama co-sponsored...SB0943

Amends the Criminal Identification Act. Provides that the victim of
criminal sexual assault, aggravated criminal sexual assault, predatory
criminal sexual assault of a child, criminal sexual abuse, or
aggravated criminal sexual abuse, may request that the State's
Attorney file a petition with the trial judge to have the court
records of the case sealed. Provides that, upon order of the court
for good cause shown, the records may be made available for public
inspection.


And here is the House bill that passed HB0854

Amends the Criminal Identification Act. Provides that the victim
of criminal sexual assault, aggravated criminal sexual assault,
predatory criminal sexual assault of a child, criminal sexual abuse,
or aggravated criminal sexual abuse may request that the State's
Attorney file a petition with the trial judge to have the court
records of the case sealed. Provides that, upon order of the court
for good cause shown, the records may be made available for public
inspection.


Get back to me with the differences...
 
SB0943

Amends the Sexual Assault Survivors Emergency Treatment Act.
Requires hospitals to receive the sexual assault evidence collection
kits (now the hospitals must request the kits). Provides that the
hospitals must conduct appropriate medical examinations and laboratory
tests in cases of alleged sexual assaults (now the alleged sexual
assault survivor must consent to the examinations and tests).
Provides that the examinations and tests must be maintained by the
hospital and made available to law enforcement officials, regardless
of the consent
of the alleged sexual assault survivor (now the alleged
sexual assault survivor must request it).

OBAMA'S CO-SPONSORED BILL

VETOED!

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HB0854

NO AMENDMENT

OBAMA VOTED "PRESENT"

BILL SIGNED INTO LAW BY GOVERNOR.

There is the difference, there are the results.
 
SB0943

Amends the Sexual Assault Survivors Emergency Treatment Act.
Requires hospitals to receive the sexual assault evidence collection
kits (now the hospitals must request the kits). Provides that the
hospitals must conduct appropriate medical examinations and laboratory
tests in cases of alleged sexual assaults (now the alleged sexual
assault survivor must consent to the examinations and tests).
Provides that the examinations and tests must be maintained by the
hospital and made available to law enforcement officials, regardless
of the consent
of the alleged sexual assault survivor (now the alleged
sexual assault survivor must request it).

OBAMA'S CO-SPONSORED BILL

VETOED!

==================================================

HB0854

NO AMENDMENT

OBAMA VOTED "PRESENT"

BILL SIGNED INTO LAW BY GOVERNOR.

There is the difference, there are the results.

That is only HALF of the bill Obama co-sponsored Dixie. The other half is IDENTICAL to the House bill. So the TRUTH is, the bill Obama co-sponsored offered MORE support and protection for rape victims than the House bill.

SO...your premise 'Obama refused to support rape victims' is total BULLSHIT. You are a disingenuous piece of shit Dixie....some things never change...
 
SB0943

Amends the Sexual Assault Survivors Emergency Treatment Act.
Requires hospitals to receive the sexual assault evidence collection
kits (now the hospitals must request the kits). Provides that the
hospitals must conduct appropriate medical examinations and laboratory
tests in cases of alleged sexual assaults (now the alleged sexual
assault survivor must consent to the examinations and tests).
Provides that the examinations and tests must be maintained by the
hospital and made available to law enforcement officials, regardless
of the consent
of the alleged sexual assault survivor (now the alleged
sexual assault survivor must request it).

OBAMA'S CO-SPONSORED BILL

VETOED!

==================================================

HB0854

NO AMENDMENT

OBAMA VOTED "PRESENT"

BILL SIGNED INTO LAW BY GOVERNOR.

There is the difference, there are the results.

That is only HALF of the bill Obama co-sponsored Dixie. The other half is IDENTICAL to the House bill. So the TRUTH is, the bill Obama co-sponsored offered MORE support and protection for rape victims than the House bill.

SO...your premise 'Obama refused to support rape victims' is total BULLSHIT. You are a disingenuous piece of shit Dixie....some things never change...
 
That is only HALF of the bill Obama co-sponsored Dixie. The other half is IDENTICAL to the House bill. So the TRUTH is, the bill Obama co-sponsored offered MORE support and protection for rape victims than the House bill.

SO...your premise 'Obama refused to support rape victims' is total BULLSHIT. You are a disingenuous piece of shit Dixie....some things never change...

LMAO... YES, other than the amendment which required rape victims to submit tests, and mandates the hospital must conduct these tests, and they must be submitted to law enforcement regardless of consent, the bills are identical. So the TRUTH is, Obama's bill did NOT support the rape victim, rather sought to make things impossible for the rape victim and burden them with mandates and requirements they shouldn't have to be burdened with. His bill was vetoed, the bill that passed, he refused to support... again, refusing to support rape victims.

You can call me whatever names you please, that is the truth. And it was proven with your very own links!
 
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